Square should get its own house in order

[k99]

Case closed.

lol. Where in the rules does it say it's against the rules for 30 separate FC's to provide collectively to one main FC? No case to begin with here.

Some players are just ridiculously well resourced and can organize such a massive operation. 8-man parties have trouble fighting a single boss and this entire FC organized a full scale operation so successfully. Honestly impressive.

Dick move? Yeah definitely. But against the rules? No (unfortunately).

[ChocoFeru]

lol. Where in the rules does it say it's against the rules for 30 separate FC's to provide collectively to one main FC? No case to begin with here.

Heh, the fallacy came back fast again. Whenever you can't counter the logic, you have to use the fallacy of "there are no specific rules for X stuff".
There are rules against abusing the system, and this is the case. There aren't/won't be specific rules for every single stuff in this world, because that would take a lifetime to write.

You can still use that argument anyways, but it's weightless.

Some players are just ridiculously well resourced and can organize such a massive operation. 8-man parties have trouble fighting a single boss and this entire FC organized a full scale operation so successfully. Honestly impressive.

Dick move? Yeah definitely. But against the rules? No.

So? I don't care if somebody is well resourced, it shouldn't affect me in any way, nor should affect it on other players. Yet it does.

You keep using the ToS as an excuse, huh? Check it: http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
Yeah, they're generic rules. Using your logic, I could do ANYTHING that isn't specifically written in the rules, right? Even if it's bad for the community, and nobody could say anything about it because I would be all like "it's not written in the rules, shutup!"


That's not how it works. We have the right and duty to talk about anything negative that happens in this game/community, and no matter how much you keep saying "it's not against the rules", we should keep pointing out the exploiters.

Thanks to that community feedback, SE changed the Housing rules. If we all were immobilists, nothing would have been changed.

[Madbunny]

So? I don't care if somebody is well resourced, it shouldn't affect me in any way, nor should affect it on other players. Yet it does.

Well i dont care if some XYZ FC is well organized and manage to make astonishing amount of gil. I want the same because is affecting my <insert random excuse>.
SE: Of course, from now on you will have a "magic button" in FC option to generate 10 mil gil per click.

Ridiculous.

[ArgosAvalance]

Well i dont care if some XYZ FC is well organized and manage to make astonishing amount of gil. I want the same because is affecting my <insert random excuse>.
SE: Of course, from now on you will have a "magic button" in FC option to generate 10 mil gil per click.

Ridiculous.

It's not like that at all.
It's more like "I and my small FC want to enjoy the game features". Looks like you only can have a medium/large ward if you have a huge FC where you don't know half of the people or get one ward cheating.

That's ridiculous.

[Madbunny]

It's not like that at all.
It's more like "I and my small FC want to enjoy the game features". Looks like you only can have a medium/large ward if you have a huge FC where you don't know half of the people or get one ward cheating.

That's ridiculous.

No, ridiculous is to not have a large/medium house for your FC after the last patch. Majority of servers had so many free plots hours and even days after the last patch, including my server. Oh you are located in overpopulated server? Then take your small FC with few people and transfer. Overpopulation didnt happen over night. Speaking of transfer - until SE lifted the restriction there was so many medium/small plots on Cerberus, so basically even if you moved to my server last few minutes before the DT you could buy a medium plot.

[ChocoFeru]

New rules have been made.

Yeah, it's a cool update on the housing rules and I applaud them. I just pointed that they should be retroactive to make it fair.

No, ridiculous is to not have a large/medium house for your FC after the last patch. Majority of servers had so many free plots hours and even days after the last patch, including my server. Oh you are located in overpopulated server? Then take your small FC with few people and transfer. Overpopulation didnt happen over night. Speaking of transfer - until SE lifted the restriction there was so many medium/small plots on Cerberus, so basically even if you moved to my server last few minutes before the DT you could buy a medium plot.

Transfering is not a solution.

[TaleraRistain]

Yeah, it's a cool update on the housing rules and I applaud them. I just pointed that they should be retroactive to make it fair.

How is punishing players now for gaps in their code and logic remotely fair? You have to stop seeing those players as having done something wrong. They didn't. SE had a gap. When you are a programmer and you find a gap, you don't punish those that may have been able to do things you didn't expect because you didn't account for their creative bypassing of you rules. You suck it up and you close the gap. People have gotten around my code before. I make it so they can't do that anymore, but I don't drag them into HR because my code had a flaw.

[Madbunny]

Transfering is not a solution.

If you are in minority then it is. You cant expect SE to change everything based on few servers while wast majority were half empty until they lifted the restrictions.

I'm sorry, should I transfer and abandon my server just because some people can't play nice?

Ofc no, but you should transfer if the house is your priority or end game. You want to enjoy all the perks of overpopulated server... well then its your choice.

Last housing patch at least show us who are the people willing to change something to get the house and who are those who will endlessly complain and ask SE to modify the game on their likeness. But you know what, free to complain while the smart ones at this moment enjoy their new home.

[AyaAthalia]

No, ridiculous is to not have a large/medium house for your FC after the last patch. Majority of servers had so many free plots hours and even days after the last patch, including my server. Oh you are located in overpopulated server? Then take your small FC with few people and transfer. Overpopulation didnt happen over night. Speaking of transfer - until SE lifted the restriction there was so many medium/small plots on Cerberus, so basically even if you moved to my server last few minutes before the DT you could buy a medium plot.

I'm sorry, should I transfer and abandon my server just because some people can't play nice? So cute.

[ChocoFeru]

Well i dont care if some XYZ FC is well organized and manage to make astonishing amount of gil. I want the same because is affecting my <insert random excuse>.
SE: Of course, from now on you will have a "magic button" in FC option to generate 10 mil gil per click.

Ridiculous.

This is not what I said, and you know it, so calm down a bit.

I said it shouldn't affect me or the community in any negative way, and looking all the community feedback, it's pretty obvious that it affected negatively.


I have my own house and FC house anyways, I'm here to deffend the rest who couldn't get a chance because greedy groups made tons of alters to buy as much as they could, and it might not be specified in the rules, but that shouldn't stop us from pointing out.

SE changed the housing rules thanks to the feedback, and we will keep providing feedback. I'm sorry if you dislike it, but we have all the rights to do it.