Square should get its own house in order

[ChocoFeru]

I still think that the new housing changes should be retroactive.

Give them the usual 45 days for a normal demolition so they have enough time to choose the house they want to keep in that account, and done.

"B-but it's not their fault, they did nothing wrong and it wasn't against the rules!" rules change to fit the needs of the present, and when a single FC abuses the system, new rules has to be made.


Imagine that everybody on the same server had the same mindset. I would create 7 more alters and create a FC with every single one, and buy a FC and personal houses. And now imagine every single person did the same. Would you deffend it still? Wouldn't you shout out the problem to SE?

I don't understand conformism on this matter. Every time somebody points out a problem in the system, there are always the same persons that pops and try to "dismantle" people's arguments with fallacy such as "it's not specifically written in the rules".


I wish we had a more JP-community mindset, where people understands it's a system problem, yet they keep pointing out the exploiters. It's too much to ask, I guess.

[Jojoya]

I have a good friend who's a high level omnicrafter and is sort of a hermit. He is in a solo FC, and prefers it that way. He likes the quietness, drama free vibe of a solo FC. He also loves doing airships. Solo.
I have another friend who has a 2 person FC for her and her RL husband. They like their peace and quiet also.
There are many players like this that don't like FCs with 5, 10, 20-200 other players . Not all FCS under 4 members are up to no good. Chill and put the pitch forks down. Lol

I understand not wanting to be part of a FC with several other players but a single player doesn't make a Free Company. A Free Company is a group of players.

Your good friend is taking advantage of the system to get access to things individuals aren't intended to have.

Square Enix might as well open up Free Company storage, airships and submersibles to all players if they are going to allow solo member FCs to have those things.

[k99]

I don't understand conformism on this matter. Every time somebody points out a problem in the system, there are always the same persons that pops and try to "dismantle" people's arguments with fallacy such as "it's not specifically written in the rules".

If you really want something to be done, you'd probably need to play detective and follow up all those threads on reddit. Go set up your own sting operation and prove someone was flipping a house. Maybe with enough people doing fake transactions to catch sellers red handed, you'll help crack down on house flipping.

[ChocoFeru]

If you really want something to be done, you'd probably need to play detective and follow up all those threads on reddit. Go set up your own sting operation and prove someone was flipping a house. Maybe with enough people doing fake transactions to catch sellers red handed, you'll help crack down on house flipping.

I don't need to do it, since the FC Master stated it publicly that they had over 30+ FC's to provide to a single FC. Case closed.

[k99]

Case closed.

lol. Where in the rules does it say it's against the rules for 30 separate FC's to provide collectively to one main FC? No case to begin with here.

Some players are just ridiculously well resourced and can organize such a massive operation. 8-man parties have trouble fighting a single boss and this entire FC organized a full scale operation so successfully. Honestly impressive.

Dick move? Yeah definitely. But against the rules? No (unfortunately).

[ChocoFeru]

lol. Where in the rules does it say it's against the rules for 30 separate FC's to provide collectively to one main FC? No case to begin with here.

Heh, the fallacy came back fast again. Whenever you can't counter the logic, you have to use the fallacy of "there are no specific rules for X stuff".
There are rules against abusing the system, and this is the case. There aren't/won't be specific rules for every single stuff in this world, because that would take a lifetime to write.

You can still use that argument anyways, but it's weightless.

Some players are just ridiculously well resourced and can organize such a massive operation. 8-man parties have trouble fighting a single boss and this entire FC organized a full scale operation so successfully. Honestly impressive.

Dick move? Yeah definitely. But against the rules? No.

So? I don't care if somebody is well resourced, it shouldn't affect me in any way, nor should affect it on other players. Yet it does.

You keep using the ToS as an excuse, huh? Check it: http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...2&tag=users_en
Yeah, they're generic rules. Using your logic, I could do ANYTHING that isn't specifically written in the rules, right? Even if it's bad for the community, and nobody could say anything about it because I would be all like "it's not written in the rules, shutup!"


That's not how it works. We have the right and duty to talk about anything negative that happens in this game/community, and no matter how much you keep saying "it's not against the rules", we should keep pointing out the exploiters.

Thanks to that community feedback, SE changed the Housing rules. If we all were immobilists, nothing would have been changed.

[ArgosAvalance]

Sadly a grey area in the rules. Very hard to prove intent until an actual transaction with linked evidence exists to show that intent. Otherwise, SE will get in real trouble for taking pre-mature action based on assumption if it turns out to be wrong. I don't think it's players insisting they have done nothing wrong, it's that there is no way to effectively prove they have done anything wrong if both parties involved in the transaction stay hush-hush. What can you do about it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Actually, I reported one of these wards using the desktop help and a week later the ward was released. Maybe it was just some kind of coincidence but I want to believe that SE made it, which means it's actually against the rules.

[Madbunny]

So? I don't care if somebody is well resourced, it shouldn't affect me in any way, nor should affect it on other players. Yet it does.

Well i dont care if some XYZ FC is well organized and manage to make astonishing amount of gil. I want the same because is affecting my <insert random excuse>.
SE: Of course, from now on you will have a "magic button" in FC option to generate 10 mil gil per click.

Ridiculous.

[ArgosAvalance]

Well i dont care if some XYZ FC is well organized and manage to make astonishing amount of gil. I want the same because is affecting my <insert random excuse>.
SE: Of course, from now on you will have a "magic button" in FC option to generate 10 mil gil per click.

Ridiculous.

It's not like that at all.
It's more like "I and my small FC want to enjoy the game features". Looks like you only can have a medium/large ward if you have a huge FC where you don't know half of the people or get one ward cheating.

That's ridiculous.

[ChocoFeru]

Well i dont care if some XYZ FC is well organized and manage to make astonishing amount of gil. I want the same because is affecting my <insert random excuse>.
SE: Of course, from now on you will have a "magic button" in FC option to generate 10 mil gil per click.

Ridiculous.

This is not what I said, and you know it, so calm down a bit.

I said it shouldn't affect me or the community in any negative way, and looking all the community feedback, it's pretty obvious that it affected negatively.


I have my own house and FC house anyways, I'm here to deffend the rest who couldn't get a chance because greedy groups made tons of alters to buy as much as they could, and it might not be specified in the rules, but that shouldn't stop us from pointing out.

SE changed the housing rules thanks to the feedback, and we will keep providing feedback. I'm sorry if you dislike it, but we have all the rights to do it.