On Exclusive Items

[Itswhateverthough]

PvPers claim you hate them, but presently they are the only community continuing to obtain exclusive items (legacy have them but that was a one time deal). One could argue that those who purchase physical goods can also be considered to own exclusives, but that doesn't involve gameplay.

I propose we bring back time gated holiday items, for one, and stop adding them to the Mog Station. It used to be the way of things, but you took away that exclusivity. You did the same for region locked items. Stop bringing them overseas. Same goes for Amazon promotions- make something new, and if you didn't do the event, the chance is lost.

In addition, I suggest adding even more exclusive items for other forms of gameplay, such as time gated raid achievements and items, similar to World of Warcraft's. I'm sure there are other ideas that players can come up with.

[Zojha]

If some people would like things to be more exclusive or more things that are exclusive, then the ideal solution is to exclude only those same people that advocate for exclusivity from those things.

That way, the only people that get excluded will be people who want someone to be excluded, whereas people who would rather not have people excluded remain unaffected.

And then, after a couple years, we'll make a poll among the excluded to see how many of them still see exclusivity as a good thing and allow those that changed their mind to be included as well, while keeping the rest excluded in accordance with their wish for people being excluded.

[Itswhateverthough]

The alternative is to request Feast rewards, legacy rewards, preorder bonuses, retired item codes, etc. which are unavailable currently to make their return.

Doubt that would go over well.

[dracklor]

The alternative is to request Feast rewards, legacy rewards, preorder bonuses, retired item codes, etc. which are unavailable currently to make their return.

Doubt that would go over well.

With the exception of Legacy items (which I believe should be excluded) I would love to see all of these things available either through the achievement vendor, or else through Mogstation.

Oh or make the PVP stuff craftable, they did it to the Relic Weapons after all, maybe make the Raid Weapons craftable too.

[whiskeybravo]

I mean, there's exclusive items for PVP, and there's exclusive items for PvE. If you want both you have to play both. Is that so bad?

I'm not really into obtaining holiday exclusive nor buying stuff on the Mogstation, but if a particular item is exclusive for a given time period (such as Holiday items), I naturally assume that if I want them I need to obtain them now or else I won't be able to. I think the only thing I'd really have a problem with is if an exclusive item for a holiday event gets put up for sale and then re-introduced for the next similar holiday event.. Like double-dipping with the same items. I'm not sure this is the case, because again I honestly don't pay much attention to the rewards or what's on the Mogstation, but that would bother me a bit.. Even though I'm not one that usually participates in these things.

Other than that, I don't have any particular resentment if they chose to sell items that can no longer be obtained/won't be re-introduced. At the end of they day they are running a business and if you don't make money you go out of business. And they aren't forcing you to purchase them so anyone that is buying them is willingly doing so. I kind of understand the "this used to be exclusive but now it's nothing special" sentiment. But how often are you really showing that stuff off? I mean really. How many people are paying attention to your legacy chocobo (or cactaur earrings, or whatever)? I certainly don't pay much attention to what's going on, unless I see a parade of fat chocobos in Rhalgr's or something lol

[Itswhateverthough]

I kind of understand the "this used to be exclusive but now it's nothing special" sentiment. But how often are you really showing that stuff off? I mean really. How many people are paying attention to your legacy chocobo (or cactaur earrings, or whatever)? I certainly don't pay much attention to what's going on, unless I see a parade of fat chocobos in Rhalgr's or something lol

It boils down to favoritism and fairness.


As far as gameplay is concerned, the only area with actual exclusives is Feast. Yes, there are other items you can only get through PvP, but they're (as far as we know) available indefinitely. You won't run out of time to get them, you're just not willing to get them if you don't like PvP. Same for raid mounts- and those at least get easier over time to obtain.

Of course there are those who have exclusives tied to purchases too- preorders, item codes.

I guarantee you, because I've seen it, that if you were to propose having Feast items unlocked for the general public through other means than top <bracket> of <specific season>, a huge portion of their relatively tiny demographic will lose their minds. It's frankly surprising they made an exception for the hellhound minions... So what about the mounts? The gear? Are minion collectors more important than mount/glamour collectors? At the time the excuse was Verminion... But where are the item code minions then? Now too we have the fashion thing in Gold Saucer. It's still content that hinges on vanity items, both. Perhaps all exclusives could be banned from these features.

So if it's so unfair to them to strip the exclusivity of their items, it's unfair to strip the exclusivity of any other group's. It's also favoritism to leave other players with specific gameplay interests without something special of their own to work towards.

Expanding or abolishing the concept would both be fair.

With the exception of Legacy items (which I believe should be excluded) I would love to see all of these things available either through the achievement vendor, or else through Mogstation.

Oh or make the PVP stuff craftable, they did it to the Relic Weapons after all, maybe make the Raid Weapons craftable too.

This is a sentiment I share as well, although the validity of Legacy status in this context would be touchy, and is very much fueled by one's concept of what it represents. For me, I see FFXIV Online as technically a separate game, and the company allowed them to take items from said game into the sequel, along with special designation for their support of the project despite its hardships. That won't fly with everyone though, and in past threads about this topic, I've seen members state that any arguments against the status quo on exclusive items would have to include Legacy to be considered universally defensible.

That said, I'm very much in the camp of allowing old exclusives - regardless of origin (except Legacy, in my personal opinion) - to be obtainable again... I personally prefer through earned means, as opposed to crafted, if at all possible.

However, if items are to remain permanently exclusive, then I propose adding more exclusives to the game. WoW is an example of a game that has some exclusive item somewhere in its history for just about anything you can imagine, whether it had to do with a purchase or with gameplay. FFXIV is very limiting in this respect, and somewhat hypocritical in that only certain "exclusives" remain so, seemingly so as to pander. For the rest, they eventually become easy revenue on Mog. I don't agree with that.

[Sakuraluna]

However, if items are to remain permanently exclusive, then I propose adding more exclusives to the game. WoW is an example of a game that has some exclusive item somewhere in its history for just about anything you can imagine, whether it had to do with a purchase or with gameplay. FFXIV is very limiting in this respect, and somewhat hypocritical in that only certain "exclusives" remain so, seemingly so as to pander. For the rest, they eventually become easy revenue on Mog. I don't agree with that.

This is honestly why I can't agree that the 1.x exclusives (the ones obtained in-game, not the Legacy campaign items specifically) should remain exclusive for all time. To me, as a player that was not around during 1.0, it just feels like favoritism when a select group within this game are given exclusivity when others aren't. And it doesn't really make it feel fairer to explain that those people were playing a different game and that those items should only ever have been available in that game and not this one, because in that case why should characters in this game have the items, and why should that mean that they couldn't also be made available in this game? The only thing that did make it seem fair to me to know that these items were around and I couldn't have them was knowing that I, and everyone else, could get items from simply playing this game that would indefinitely remain exclusive in the future, and that as long as these events kept happening, everyone to come after me could be exclusive too, and we'd all be on equal ground as far as exclusivity is concerned. Now that that isn't the case, it just feels like favoritism.

As far as the pvp items are concerned, my thoughts are just wait it out for a couple years and they'll pop up on mogstation.

[The_Promised]

On wow pvp have exclusive items too (on all MMOS does!). Don't get your point here.

[Iceboy]

Yeah because pvpers would love to have their effort to get top 100 or place a certain rank for the rewards being replicated from something much easier to do. Because that wouldn't kill the pvp community at all, yeah.

[Kurando]

Part of me wants it to work like the Makai gear in that you can purchase the original gear from the Wolves Den with Marks BUT you can also purchase some cheaper copies of them with MGP from Gold Saucer. I mean some of that Feast gear is really nice but I completely understand the it's only fair for actual serious PvPers to get rewarded at the end of their season.