Please stop with the "no duplicates" and pigeon-holing our DPS into tiny windows

[AiharaMizuki]

While I understand this was designed to encourage greater class variety, it's also causing a lot of exclusion of popular classes.

How is it causing a lot of exclusion of popular classes? No duplicate jobs really only means no DUPLICATE jobs. Unless you're mistaking it for those PFs that doesn't allow certain classes to enter (plenty of SAM threads about it), the issue is not with "no duplicates job" nonsense.

It discourages people from playing the class they are most proficient at or simply enjoy playing the most.

Either look for another PF or start your own. It's been this way ever since the LB update.

2) Pigeon-holing our DPS into tiny windows

This is not a new thing. Classes have burst windows ever since ARR with the exception of Paladins and healers (except WHM).

machinist and monk I feel are far too rigid in their DPS demands.

So are other DPS classes. Can't have it too easy where you can just smash buttons and do amazing DPS.

Monk just seems like way too much concentration goes into timing everything precisely so that you end up with "squeeze all your DPS into this tiny window but only from this angle!

Again, every class have burst windows.

I feel like they really need to go back to the drawing board on those two classes.

Yes but for a different reason.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You get a marginally faster limit break bar fill if each class is unique.

Actually, you get a noticeably faster limit break. I ran in a Byakko EX party with double SAM and we weren't even close to LB3 at the point where you'd normally have it. In O7S, you'll flat out lose a second LB2, assuming you melee LB The Guardian. Can Byakko be done normally? Sure. But why? There's no benefit to the group and only a hindrance.

If you want to do stuff with your FC, go ahead. Party Finder is intended for random people, thus the PF leader determines how they want to do things. If you dislike it, make a party yourself.

[Kazgrel]

Having duplicate jobs is a significant decrease to LB charge rate. If anything, that penalty helps to promote class diversity within a group. Now if you’re being left out because your job of choice is not meta or whatever...that’s different. Best solution to that is to form your own group.

[KusuhLun]

I'm on board with a few others here: I feel like getting rid of "No Duplicates" and the bonus it gives to filling the LB meter would open the door to much more exclusion, a la the "7 WAR and 1 healer" comp. I don't mean to say that if your group wants both of it's tanks to be WAR and have dupes on a DPS, then that should be the end of the world, but I think the issue would lie in parties with 7 of the same class becoming the ideal comp, which the limit break rate being fueled by party diversity discourages.

[HyoMinPark]

The LB penalty for doubling up on the same jobs is far more than marginal, considering even one double job in Byakko Ex means you won't have tank LB3 for the second tiger (and people don't want to do the mechanic properly so, there's that). Tank LB2 isn't enough even when the tiger is at 50%. In Savage weeklies, people don't allow doubling up on DPS roles to avoid competition for loot--e.g., they say BRD or MCH, instead of allowing both, because they have to compete for gear. PF is made with the intention that party leaders can set whatever preferences they want for their party. You can't punish a person for saying "I don't want to double up on jobs, because we will get LBs faster" or "I don't want to allow multiple casters because they will all be fighting over caster pieces if they drop, and we're in a lockout right now". If you don't like the rules set by the PF leaders, make your own with no such rules.

[Deceptus]

The LB penalty for doubling up on the same jobs is far more than marginal, considering even one double job in Byakko Ex means you won't have tank LB3 for the second tiger (and people don't want to do the mechanic properly so, there's that). Tank LB2 isn't enough even when the tiger is at 50%. .

I've been in a group that LB2'd the tiger and survived with a deployed adlo.

[Ilyrian]

This is a lot of hot air about an non issue.

[Bacent]

Personally I like the 'no dupes' stuff for parties. Means when a weapon drops in Byakko/other things that people can get their weapon without having to outroll someone else. I've lost things multiple times due to that.

Plus I like not having a second paladin in groups I'm in, that way buffs don't overlap, same with scholars and the like.

[Stormfur]

I, personally, am not having a problem with it, even though I main samurai. I made this thread not to complain, but to bring up discussion on what I think is a valid point that this direction is leading to greater and greater marginalization of classes.

For Byakko, the tank limit break to bypass the tiger was not intended, and yet the strategy is the de-facto way of clearing it now. It's "skip soar" all over again. In all honesty though doing it the "original" way is just a pain. I like that the players were inventive enough to try a strategy that the dev team did not anticipate

RE: the 7 tanks, 1 healer - classes should still be divided according to requirements as they are now. It's just that if two people want to play warriors or ninjas or what have you, it shouldn't make THAT much of a difference.

I get that this isn't a fighting game where smashing buttons leads to amazing results. But when you look at it, putting everything inside of such a small window of potential is just smashing buttons with a glossy coat of paint over it. Rotations and openers are all well and good, but I still think just because "other games do it too" shouldn't be a reason for FFXIV to follow suit.

I like the direction the devs took at the beginning of Stormblood to make each class unique, but some, I think are tied a bit too vigorously to those DPS windows -- I feel it's too "all or nothing" in some cases, and people concentrate more on lining everything up precisely rather than the mechanics and the "choreographed dance" of that particular fight.

Hopefully that helps clarify a bit more what my intention was with this thread.

[Nerfworthy]

Actually, you won't even get close to lb3 when you need it if you have duplicates. Stop spreading false information.