Why do only the 3 4.0 lvl 70 dungeons drop weapons?

**SerLuke** · 02-19-2018 11:28 PM

I have my i355 byakko weapon so I’m not so much asking for me but for people I’ve been helping catch up on gear that just hit lvl 70. Would it break something in the game’s balance if Hells’s Lid or Frac Hard Mode drop i325 weapons? I know Byakko Ex is a bit easier than most of the previous ex primals(around susano ex difficulty so I’m not sure if that’s going to be the status quo going forward to make weapons easier to obtain or what, I was just wondering why they don’t drop in dungeons.

**BillyKaplan** · 02-19-2018 11:36 PM

To begin with all level 70 job quests give you 290 weapons and you can get 310 weapons just from hunting. You could theoretically get your 310 weapon more steadily than you could get any dungeon weapon because hunting is all about you and your daily duties (and it could go much faster if you actually downed an A rank or two). Then between how easy it is to get creation and how you can just farm O4 for the gears, the biggest issue here is unlocking Delta in the first place. You don't want to spend the time? Shell the gil for a crafted 320, that's the give and take, has been since basically forever.
tl;dr it's really not that hard to gear up at least that much. Especially if they, as you put it, "just hit 70" and might not even be able to get into Hell's Lid in the first place

**MirielleLavandre** · 02-19-2018 11:43 PM

To add to this, I think as a fresh 70 they can queue for PvP roulette and get 40 mendacity tomes per day. Getting the 2nd tier of the naga people (forget the name) beast tribe allows for 6 quests per day at 5 mendacity per quest. So, just for PvP roulette and beast tribe, they make 70 tomes. Even doing just this, they'd cap their new tomes without ever setting foot in the new dungeons and get i360 gear. Plus, the i350 crafted stuff is really cheap (900k for the body on Faerie, about 1.1 mil for the weapon and 900k for the shield - for PLD). Tons of easy ways to quickly get decent gear [as Billy said above - the 310 gear is basically given away and quick to get the weapon / same with 330 with how easy creation is to get].

**ManuelBravo** · 02-19-2018 11:46 PM

Probably for people who don't craft, don't do relic, are too lazy to do job story, or just plain complain that content is too hard and fee they get left behind -.-

**BillyKaplan** · 02-19-2018 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by ManuelBravo

are too lazy to do job story,

People like that are why Shinryu was as hard as he was for as long as he was. Nothing like seeing a tank in Shisui armor and no level 70 skill take an Akh Mourn to the face, even with the other tank stacking.

**ManuelBravo** · 02-20-2018 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

People like that are why Shinryu was as hard as he was for as long as he was. Nothing like seeing a tank in Shisui armor and no level 70 skill take an Akh Mourn to the face, even with the other tank stacking.

Sounds about right -.- , what did you expect? now a days people want a trophy for just trying.

**Nora_of_Mira** · 02-20-2018 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by BillyKaplan

People like that are why Shinryu was as hard as he was for as long as he was. Nothing like seeing a tank in Shisui armor and no level 70 skill take an Akh Mourn to the face, even with the other tank stacking.

I thought Shinryu Normal was never nerfed? I at least don't recall any nerfs unless it was week 1 or 2 of 4.0.

**Claire_Pendragon** · 02-20-2018 12:07 AM

You get your i310 weapon by killing just 2 B ranks. (unless you've been killing your B ranks since Lv60, then u might have more seals)
As they both give 100 seals. (both Lv60 and 70 elites give the same amount, and u get 2 a week)

Anyways, I agree with the OP for the most part, not because he's talking about iLv, but because he's talking about weapons solely.
It's been weird how there's few options in weapons for people new, or catching up to newer patches, but 2.0, 3.0, and 4.0 patches its easy to get decent weapons.
(no, i290 and i310 arent decent starter weapons for this tier, i325 and higher would be decent starter weapons)

Hardly anyone does Susano now, so the time it would take to farm the weapon is pointless, as ud get geared up faster and get access to i340 weapons much quicker.
So i340 weaposn are easier and quicker than i320 weapons, or i330 weapons, whats the harm in creating i325 weapons drop in hells lid?
The time it would take for them to drop, they'd already have i340 weapons still.

If anything, the argument shouldnt be "spend gil, stop being lazy, etc" but instead, dont waste the devs time, since its not a useful feature to players.

Having taken an alt up to 70, 2 days ago, i killed 2 B ranks, grabbed a weapon, and accessories. U should be within range of deltascape. grab a few more accessories there, and ur i340 weapon.
now jump into rabanastre, and get ur i330 gear, and deck urself in as much i330/i340 accessories with creation as u can, and ull be ready for sigmascape by the 2nd day, unless ur trying to grind, then u should be able to do it within a day. (helps to be tank/healer, or have one as a friend)

**Vaer** · 02-20-2018 12:08 AM

They want you to get the uncapped tome weapons and do the normal raids to get the crystaloid and the 24mans I guess. Only takes 4 O4N kills now to get the weapon tome. Delta Normal is only i295 to enter. Going up through the expert dungeon progression and getting some of the newer dungeon gear (325) once you reach it will easily get you into it and Rabanastre (i305 to enter).

**Kazgrel** · 02-20-2018 12:45 AM

Weapon drops from dungeons would be nice for the purpose of desynth, that’s for sure...unless they are like the 310 weapons where CRP desynth gets hosed since all their “normal” desynths (WHM and DRG) belong to GSM...but that’s a whole different story.

As for actual upgrades for a job and/or newly dinged 70s, there’s a path to weapons in place, albeit more convoluted...but not RNG prone:

- 290 from job quest
- 310 from hunts; join hunt LS or just do weekly B rank plus daily hunts for a day or two
- 330 from creation + 4 O4 normal clears
- 340 from upgrading the 330 via Rabanastre coin

From there, at that point, Byakko EX should be doable ilvl wise.

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