Developers, Please Address Samurai Kicking

[Jijifli]

In a game where we ride dragons and flying horses and create magic out of thin air, and you're questioning how SAM would tank with a katana? o.0

First, Ananta's Elephant would have made a better example. And we aren't making magic out of thin air, there is a resource. CNJ uses elementals to assist, THM and ACN have their own inner pools, WHM/BLM use Hydaelyn for their resource and caused their own calamity issues that forced those magics to be, lore wise, illegal to access, etc.

But I guess Square could just make some dumb excuse like the katanas are made of this very specific material that can parry anything with no punishments. It's not like the point of the Katana itself is that it's made to be super fast, which makes it bad for parrying due to the design. It should funtion like a greatsword, BLOCK THAT ROCK!

[aesteval]

If you're with a DRG/NIN, aren't they also buffing the SAM?

SAM brings no utility. If they aren't doing the most damage in the party, they are a wasted slot. That's not trying to be elitist. That's how the job is designed. The only job a good SAM should have to fight against is a good BLM.

That may be the way the job was intended, but take a look at the current Circles of Answering dummies. These are solo dummies calibrated by the devs of what they expect any given job to do when the dummy was designed. SAM has lost ground to the buffs that have hit the older jobs. Compare Deltascape Savage to Sigmascape Savage Circle of Answering dummies.

[ReplicaX]

That may be the way the job was intended, but take a look at the current Circles of Answering dummies. These are solo dummies calibrated by the devs of what they expect any given job to do when the dummy was designed. SAM has lost ground to the buffs that have hit the older jobs. Compare Deltascape Savage to Sigmascape Savage Circle of Answering dummies.

The Circle of Answering has been tested by many to show it isn't calibrated to job specific. More defined role specific (Melee DPS, Rng DPS, etc) so jobs with higher utility and less DPS that meet ilvl requirements prior to (overgearing) couldn't pass many of them with their optimal rotations. Yet, they perform perfectly fine in the content itself.

[Adventica6]

Looks like the devs are fine with sams being kicked / blacklisted in all content.

Why make a new class at all then if everyone just hates it ? sell lemonade or something.

[HyoMinPark]

Looks like the devs are fine with sams being kicked / blacklisted in all content.

I mean, I never see this rampant blacklisting on Aether......

[Mavrias]

I mean, I never see this rampant blacklisting on Aether......

Don't see it on Primal either. Odd.

[Nemekh]

Don't see it on Primal either. Odd.

Primal has had historical PF lockouts on certain jobs especially since the start of SB. SMN and BLM were being kept out, then it was mostly BLM, then BLM and SAM, now mostly SAM, although there is still the stigma people seem to hold about all BLM and SAMs you'll see through PF are not good and will cause wipes, be a dead weight etc. I personally will never lock out a BLM or SAM when I make party listings for farms.

[Mavrias]

Primal has had historical PF lockouts on certain jobs especially since the start of SB. SMN and BLM were being kept out, then it was mostly BLM, then BLM and SAM, now mostly SAM, although there is still the stigma people seem to hold about all BLM and SAMs you'll see through PF are not good and will cause wipes, be a dead weight etc. I personally will never lock out a BLM or SAM when I make party listings for farms.

Over the past few weeks, I've seen maybe two PF listings exclusively excluding SAM. In other cases, there's either a SAM already in the party, a MNK already in the party, parse runs, looking for very specific jobs (i'm not gonna begrudge a BRD for wanting a DRG) or flat out is allowing all dps. Instances with all dps slots filled and there happens to be no SAM cant be counted for obvious reasons.

[Neela]

Looks like the devs are fine with sams being kicked / blacklisted in all content.

i don't get why people always fall from grace if one cls is locked out by our own community... its nothing new... so many cls faced that destiny in the past and they all are still alive... Brds, Mchs, Smn, Schs, loldrg, Whm, Mnks.... lately Blms & Sams... I don't see anything special this time compared to all the other so called "dead jobs" no-one will ever play in endgame... popularity will change again with new tiers or job-lvl-cap-increases and new skills.

[Nemekh]

Over the past few weeks, I've seen maybe two PF listings exclusively excluding SAM. In other cases, there's either a SAM already in the party, a MNK already in the party, parse runs, looking for very specific jobs (i'm not gonna begrudge a BRD for wanting a DRG) or flat out is allowing all dps. Instances with all dps slots filled and there happens to be no SAM cant be counted for obvious reasons.

It has gotten better for sure, though still occasionally happens. Have seen that it tends to be stricter late at night for NA after prime time hours and there's fewer groups about. Just something I notice because I'm EU based and that's morning+ for me.

What doesn't help is the trickle down effect of speed runner memes such as "No SAMs my man" leading to some players thinking that a given job is more of a detriment.