Developers, Please Address Samurai Kicking

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I don't NIN (yet), but if I recall, you can only pull off a Trick at the beginning of a fight, because of Hide, right? If that's the case, the Trick only boosts damage if everybody is attacking from the rear. Which...doesn't really help classes that don't have rear potencies or True North.

Trick attack effects all damage on the boss for 10 seconds. You only have to be behind the boss or using true north to APPLY trick attack.

Also, you get the same effects as hide from suiton, which means every 60 seconds in a fight, you can use trick attack.

[KaivaC]

Trick attack effects all damage on the boss for 10 seconds. You only have to be behind the boss or using true north to APPLY trick attack.

Also, you get the same effects as hide from suiton, which means every 60 seconds in a fight, you can use trick attack.

I kinda figured it was something like that. I only have experience as a Rogue, so I wasn't sure what NIN had.

[Adventica6]

I'm going to be bold and say, make your own group.

This goes for any mmo, if a class/job is stigmatized by an unintelligent playerbase then you just need to form your own group plain and simple, don't let a few scrubs discourage you.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

“Developers, Please Address Samurai Kicking” ...

???

I took Samurai to 70 and left it alone, just as I’m doing with all the non-monk jobs. Did I do something egregious enough to warrant developer intervention? What was it?!?!?

[Joe777]

I kinda figured it was something like that. I only have experience as a Rogue, so I wasn't sure what NIN had.

Just want to point out that attempting to sneak up on a boss doesn't work. They detect you and remove your Hide status before you get close enough to use TA. You might be able to get in TA if you Shukuchi + TA quickly enough but I doubt it. In order to make Hide more useful though SE added a new effect to it with SB: reset Ninjutsu cooldown when you successfully use Hide. So whether you actually get in the TA via hiding or not, hiding before a boss battle ensures you can get in a TA since Suiton can be used immediately.

[Jijifli]

But I have no idea why you even brought up the AST argument when I didn't even compare classes in the first place.

You obviously haven't seen what a really good BLM has been able to put out lately. Not to mention that with the right setup, a DRG/NIN team can outright own a good chunk of the DPS. If you are the type that kicks for a SAM not being in first place, then wow...

That came off as comparing to me. We said they should be first and you brought up BLM and the DRG/NIN combo. Should the person leave SAM out of the list? Yes, I'm not going to argue that away. What could help is some more good SAM's though.

Since I gotta requote that comment about kicking SAM's that aren't top, what else does SAM bring besides dps? Why would I bring it instead of someone else I'm sure is going to do more damage and I know has group utility? If people want to play the cool SAM job, I have no issues. If they want to run that content, again no issue. If it feels like 95% of the playerbase can't play one properly though, I may start having an issue.

Actually it's sad when I have to farm o7n for the spring and I praise a party for not having a SAM because now people might move.

[Mavrias]

I don't NIN (yet), but if I recall, you can only pull off a Trick at the beginning of a fight, because of Hide, right? If that's the case, the Trick only boosts damage if everybody is attacking from the rear. Which...doesn't really help classes that don't have rear potencies or True North

Thats not even kind of how Trick Attack works. At least look up the ability before talking about it.

[KaivaC]

Just want to point out that attempting to sneak up on a boss doesn't work. They detect you and remove your Hide status before you get close enough to use TA. You might be able to get in TA if you Shukuchi + TA quickly enough but I doubt it. In order to make Hide more useful though SE added a new effect to it with SB: reset Ninjutsu cooldown when you successfully use Hide. So whether you actually get in the TA via hiding or not, hiding before a boss battle ensures you can get in a TA since Suiton can be used immediately.

Gotcha, that makes sense. I can't really comment about NIN because I have no experience on the class - I leave that to those familiar with it to explain this to me

That came off as comparing to me.

I am usually a very direct person. If I want to compare jobs, I would've compared jobs. Comparison was nowhere close to my original post, which brings me to...

We said they should be first and you brought up BLM and the DRG/NIN combo. Should the person leave SAM out of the list? Yes, I'm not going to argue that away. What could help is some more good SAM's though.

I brought those up as examples. BLMs can literally turret down if they know the fight and nuke the hell out of a boss. I'm not arguing leaving a SAM off the PF list - that's the leader's group, it's their rules on whether or not to exclude SAMs. I have not disputed this. Again, and I am saying this once more - if the PF leader doesn't restrict the SAM job from their PF when they first set it up, then it's douchey behavior to kick a SAM as soon as they enter the PF. It's not against the rules, but it's kinda messed up at the same time.

Since I gotta requote that comment about kicking SAM's that aren't top, what else does SAM bring besides dps? Why would I bring it instead of someone else I'm sure is going to do more damage and I know has group utility? If people want to play the cool SAM job, I have no issues. If they want to run that content, again no issue. If it feels like 95% of the playerbase can't play one properly though, I may start having an issue.

Then set up your PF to restrict SAM. I've been saying that this entire time. If you do a PF and leave the SAM slot open, don't act like one of those entitled pricks who automatically kick a job, because you're just wasting that player's time. If you don't want the job in your group, then make sure they can't join. If you fail to do that and they join, you don't know how good or bad they are until you jump into the instance (or you check their FFLOGS.)

Thats not even kind of how Trick Attack works. At least look up the ability before talking about it.

I was responding, and was promptly corrected on how Trick Attack works by Valkryie and Joe777...so yeah, maybe read what else was said before jumping on my case about this?

[Ayer2015]

I mean... if they are kicking you from Byakko EX for playing SAM, you probably don't want to bother going in the first place. Generally players like that have high fail rates...

[Awful]

Next they'll say it was a SAM mentor that needed on my glamour for GC seals, the horror.