Growing tired of this Stigma

[Okamimaru]

If they want SAM to be selfish dps then make it really selfish.... have the dps bonuses from other classes skills buff SAM double... make those skills damage batteries for Sam

[AiharaMizuki]

If they want SAM to be selfish dps then make it really selfish.... have the dps bonuses from other classes skills buff SAM double... make those skills damage batteries for Sam

Do you want an all-melee comp to be meta? Cause that's how you get all-melee comps to be meta.

[HyoMinPark]

Do you want an all-melee comp to be meta? Cause that's how you get all-melee comps to be meta.

Not necessarily all-melee. BRD/MCH provide their own buffs as well. Did you mean all-physical, maybe? Though the current meta is just that.

[AiharaMizuki]

Not necessarily all-melee. BRD/MCH provide their own buffs as well. Did you mean all-physical, maybe? Though the current meta is just that.

Well triple melee where it's MNK instead of MCH is already a thing now. Taking into account the guy's suggestion of SAM buffs, SAM might creep into the comp instead of BRD maybe.

https://www.fflogs.com/reports/XV9yj...pe=damage-done

I just picked the first report i found where it's triple melee with MNK instead of MCH. Granted it's O6S but still...

[Raim]

Remove the Slashing debuff from NIN and WAR and make it exclusive to SAM. Compensate the others by improving their damage boost line from 10% back to 20%.

[Rita1989]

it's not irrelevant because the content that those 5% of the community are doing is how the jobs are balanced and changed. The devs certainly don't balance jobs based on dungeons and story trials, they're balanced on savage/extreme content. and if 95% of the community aren't aware of how the jobs are balanced, maybe this information is actually useful for people looking to get into savage/extreme.

Again content in the game is balanced so pretty much any party composition is able to clear extreme/savage content.

The only 2 groups that META is truly important to are world first and speed running outside that if your excluding someone who is good at their job simply because their job isn't "META" then they are just a elitist and it's best to just to ignore and move on.

In the end no matter what they do one job is going to be mathematically last or a certain party composition will be always be the best.

[ToasterMan]

Did MNK get buffed because it was seen as underpowered as a whole or was it just because people thought SAM was better?

I remember people screaming that SAM was OP back in 4.0. I wouldn't be surprised if it was because of that nonsense.

[MageBlack]

It amazes me how many "problems" exist in this game that I had no clue about until I come to the Forums. SAM getting kicked from raids? I had no issues... OMGERD Needz butt sliderz or RIOT!!!@1! Really? Can you believe how terrible the Grass Looks in this game, its HORRENDOUS! I, I just don't know anymore...

EDIT:
Yeah, I'm not denying that is might be happening but as long as high end raiders are going to look for that little extra edge in the game someone will be left out for X reason. Its called min\maxing and unless they further homogenize the jobs together, it will always be like this. Things like cookie cutter "best" specs in games like WoW, "if you dont play the game my way, you are doing it wrong" Probably better off not playing with those kind of people anyway.

[Squintina]

I'm not going to deny that it happens because I doubt the people who are affected are making this up.

But personally I don't see it. I've seen plenty of pugs with a samurai in the party. I personally don't care if there's a samurai in the party. I care whether a person plays their job well. I'll take a great <enter job here> over a mediocre <enter other job of the same role> here any day.

The real question though is whether it's prevalent.

And just like I can't assume it's not prevalent because I don't see it, the people who do see it cannot assume it IS prevalent just because they see it (they might just be the unlucky few).

That's something only SE can find out.

I do support them investigating it.

[Faeon]

Did MNK get buffed because it was seen as underpowered as a whole or was it just because people thought SAM was better?

I remember people screaming that SAM was OP back in 4.0. I wouldn't be surprised if it was because of that nonsense.

Yes, brotherhood now apply the buff to them, when before it did not.