Growing tired of this Stigma

[itti18]

Samurai has usefull utility which is slashing debuff that benefits tanks excluding warrior , what form of utility does BLM have ?

[NephthysVasudan]

Samurai has usefull utility which is slashing debuff that benefits tanks excluding warrior , what form of utility does BLM have ?

Manashift....with a nearly endless mana supply - only problem is the cool down time. (Yes its a shared spell with casters..but still) - perhaps a buff to that would be useful?
Other than that...not a whole lot.

BLM's to me are glorified artillery cannons....and rather good at that job. They drop anchor...and nuke the target...so to speak. I'm reluctant to change that...as it makes them unique in that regard.

[itti18]

Manashift....with a nearly endless mana supply - only problem is the cool down time. (Yes its a shared spell with casters..but still) - perhaps a buff to that would be useful?
Other than that...not a whole lot.

BLM's to me are glorified artillery cannons....and rather good at that job. They drop anchor...and nuke the target...so to speak. I'm reluctant to change that...as it makes them unique in that regard.

dont melee classes have goad aswell ?

[NephthysVasudan]

dont melee classes have goad aswell ?

Yes - but I don't speak too much of what I don't have experience with.
I just have observations.

But why ask this? Black Mages are casters..not melee.

[VitalSuit]

Manashift....with a nearly endless mana supply - only problem is the cool down time. (Yes its a shared spell with casters..but still) - perhaps a buff to that would be useful?
Other than that...not a whole lot.

BLM's to me are glorified artillery cannons....and rather good at that job. They drop anchor...and nuke the target...so to speak. I'm reluctant to change that...as it makes them unique in that regard.

Please don't bring up manshift when speaking about BLM, the only time it's not a dps loss for us is if we use it during Umbral Ice and normally whoever needs the mana can't wait for us to finish our Astral Fire rotation. You also can't consider this "BLM utility" when both SMN and RDM have this too when it's a Role Ability.

[AcaciaTyrannia]

I'm going to call BS on this. I'm a black mage, the TRUE class with no utility, and I get pugs just fine. I don't think anyone has EVER denied me a group or anything when I've joined as samurai or black mage, so I struggle to believe the legitimacy of these claims in frequent exclusion.

You are doing way more damage than everyone else in the party, right? If not, then you aren't earning your spot, which is an entirely different issue all together.

[NephthysVasudan]

Please don't bring up manshift when speaking about BLM, the only time it's not a dps loss for us is if we use it during Umbral Ice and normally whoever needs the mana can't wait for us to finish our Astral Fire rotation. You also can't consider this "BLM utility" when both SMN and RDM have this too when it's a Role Ability.

You obviously don't know how to read if that's what you think.
White Mages certainly appreciate manashifting when they run low on Mana when burning cool-downs.
You obviously didn't think about this.

Oh and what's next? That white mage sucks because I had to manashift? Yeah.....cute excuse. It's called teamwork....help the party out.
Everything in this game is not savage related either.

[Selova]

You obviously don't know how to read if that's what you think.
White Mages certainly appreciate manashifting when they run low on Mana when burning cool-downs.
You obviously didn't think about this.

Oh and what's next? That white mage sucks because I had to manashift? Yeah.....cute excuse. It's called teamwork....help the party out.
Everything in this game is not savage related either.

Your point makes zero sense because you are trying to preach about unique JOB utility and talking about a ROLE action that can be used by multiple jobs. The amount of mana restored from MS is completely negligible and next to completely useless aside from very rare and unique situations. You can't put MS on the level of something like battle litany, chain stratagem, balance, and Trick Attack where those are leaps and bounds better than some useless role ability. Seriously can't believe you are trying to pass MS off as any kind of decent utility, because it's not.

[MoroMurasaki]

Seriously can't believe you are trying to pass MS off as any kind of decent utility, because it's not.

Not to beat the really dead horse (seriously more of a horse-flavored puddle at this point) but also RDM and SMN not only have access to manashift but use it better than BLM can without interrupting their DPS as much.

You did a great job, just thought this needed repeating.

Evidently not, hun.

I envy this mic drop moment ;-;

[Coatl]

Samurai has usefull utility which is slashing debuff that benefits tanks excluding warrior , what form of utility does BLM have ?

slash debuff is already a given with a ninja OR warrior in a party, and you'll be hard pressed to find a group running savage content without either of these.

OP you seem distressed. If you truly like Samurai my honest advice is for you to just take a small break from the game and come back in three to four months. More than likely Samurai will be adjusted by then.