Growing tired of this Stigma

[Coatl]

Yeah Samurai is in a really bad spot right now and the MNK buffs didn't help at all. You are pretty much just a melee Black mage at the moment..my condolences.

[ServerCollaps]

Yeah Samurai is in a really bad spot right now and the MNK buffs didn't help at all. You are pretty much just a melee Black mage at the moment..my condolences.

but blm have way higher dps and even more utility (mana shift, addle)

[itti18]

but blm have way higher dps and even more utility (mana shift, addle)

sorry but I still dont see how BLM has more utility than SAM (addle , manashift ) SAM has the exact same things in the form of (goad and feint) plus the slashing debuff which is what I would call more utility

[Bourne_Endeavor]

sorry but I still dont see how BLM has more utility than SAM (addle , manashift ) SAM has the exact same things in the form of (goad and feint) plus the slashing debuff which is what I would call more utility

Black Mage has better utility.

- TP issues are almost null and void nowadays. If you happen to die twice and miss Tactician from BRD/MCH, well, it's probably better to wipe anyway.
- The vast majority of fights deal high magic damage, thus Feint is worthless
- Scholar and especially Astro will inevitably bottom out on MP if they're highly aggressive with DPS, making manashift is far more useful.
- I already said why Slashing on Samurai is dumb.

[itti18]

Black Mage has better utility.

- TP issues are almost null and void nowadays. If you happen to die twice and miss Tactician from BRD/MCH, well, it's probably better to wipe anyway.
- The vast majority of fights deal high magic damage, thus Feint is worthless
- Scholar and especially Astro will inevitably bottom out on MP if they're highly aggressive with DPS, making manashift is far more useful.
- I already said why Slashing on Samurai is dumb.

but thats your opinion about the utility SAM has , in the end SAM has (slashing debuff , feint , goad ) BLM has (manashift , addle)

in my opinion slashing debuff is really useful and allows for different comps without relying on warrior or ninja

[MoroMurasaki]

but thats your opinion about the utility SAM has , in the end SAM has (slashing debuff , feint , goad ) BLM has (manashift , addle)

in my opinion slashing debuff is really useful and allows for different comps without relying on warrior or ninja

But NIN has enmity manip and vuln up - there is literally no reason to not take a NIN if we are coming from the stance of utility being universally useful.

That said not all utility is creared the same, particularly goad and manashift. Goad is useless in a ST fight unless someone dies. Manashift is so useful it should be getting thrown at healers constantly. How can you make the argument that these things are equals?

You could say the sky being blue is an opinion but it doesn't make you any less wrong if you call it green instead.

[HyoMinPark]

but thats your opinion about the utility SAM has , in the end SAM has (slashing debuff , feint , goad ) BLM has (manashift , addle)

in my opinion slashing debuff is really useful and allows for different comps without relying on warrior or ninja

By that logic,

NIN has slashing debuff, Feint, and Goad. It also has Trick Attack, Shadewalker, and Smokescreen. Instantly a better choice over SAM, because TA will give the entire party more than enough DPS to make up for not taking a SAM. Used properly, Shade/Smoke will ensure the MT never has to touch their tank stance, boosting their damage by at least 20%, since they won’t have the stance penalty. NIN does it better.

DRG and MNK have Feint and Goad...DRG brings Battle Litany, Dragon Sight, and Disembowel for an instant ~+250 DPS for the BRD/MCH in the group. MNK brings Brotherhood and Mantra, the latter of which is good to have for prog to ease the stress of healing new encounters, or when your group is lacking better gear. DRG and MNK do it better.

WAR has slashing debuff...while also having massive amounts of personal damage, loses nothing by being the MT, thereby allowing PLDs and DRKs to OT, and offers party utility in the form of Shake It Off. WAR does slashing better than SAM.

RDM/SMN have access to Addle and Mana Shift, and they do it better than BLM, because BLM already has issues with weaving in oGCDs due to their long cast times taking up the entirety of their GCD—any oGCD weaving results in GCD clipping—and Mana Shift can only be used while in Umbral Ice, which will delay their Astral Fire, which will hurt their DPS. RDM/SMN do it better.
This isn’t even considering that both RDM and SMN bring raid buffs to the group, however weak they may be, and SMN’s damage + their utility alone is usually enough to take them over a BLM...because they will benefit the party more. The entire reason the META exists is because of its optimal synergy and group benefit. Unless BLM and SAM can offer a crapton of DPS to offset the sacrifice of a META job, they won’t have any competition for those groups that want the META.


SAM and BLM have nothing to offer that other jobs don’t already offer AND do better. Their niche is supposed to be massive amounts of damage to offset their absolute lack of unique utility, but SAM is being outDPS’d by MNKs, and the best BLM parse was only 200 DPS above the best SMN parse, AND THE BLM HAD 13 BALANCES.