Growing tired of this Stigma

[Waemliht]

Does this not fit more in the dps section?

Sam's are getting a dmg buff later, was confirmed. They need it so whatever. Slashing is utility, but only one person needs to have it so it's not something considered much.
Honestly play what you want. Most people aren't playing at a level where this stuff matters too much and if they're excluding sams maybe you don't wanna be in their party anyway.

[Lorielle]

No, I don't want to be in said parties because they're simple minded to think the Meta Comp will save them. The issue stems from when you get to a point where only a handful of people can only do said content and in turn start excluding the specific role. Now, the option is to create parties, which I do at times when the PF isn't actually flooded. But when you can just join a nearly full PT or one sporting meta, why join the Samurai? Right?

slash debuff is already a given with a ninja OR warrior in a party, and you'll be hard pressed to find a group running savage content without either of these.

OP you seem distressed. If you truly like Samurai my honest advice is for you to just take a small break from the game and come back in three to four months. More than likely Samurai will be adjusted by then.

Isn't it a little disappointing that the "advice" is to quit the game because of poor balancing? :v

[itti18]

Manashift....with a nearly endless mana supply - only problem is the cool down time. (Yes its a shared spell with casters..but still) - perhaps a buff to that would be useful?
Other than that...not a whole lot.

BLM's to me are glorified artillery cannons....and rather good at that job. They drop anchor...and nuke the target...so to speak. I'm reluctant to change that...as it makes them unique in that regard.

dont melee classes have goad aswell ?

[Joe777]

Surprised no one has said the true reason this happens yet: the players themselves. Players can and will find a reason to exclude someone if they want to, no matter what SE does. Furthermore, granting incentive to 1 job could bump another on the list of jobs people want to exclude, so no matter what SE does those same people will continue to exclude something or another.

My advice to you OP is find a static that isn't so closed-minded to run with that will let you be a SAM to your heart's content. That's about all you can do really because this isn't something SE can be faulted for when its the other players' decision to exclude others for their decision to use a job that isn't performing as well as others. Blame utility imbalance all you want but players can easily opt to let the SAM stay despite it. They aren't required to boot them.

[NephthysVasudan]

dont melee classes have goad aswell ?

Yes - but I don't speak too much of what I don't have experience with.
I just have observations.

But why ask this? Black Mages are casters..not melee.

[Waliel]

Manashift....with a nearly endless mana supply - only problem is the cool down time. (Yes its a shared spell with casters..but still) - perhaps a buff to that would be useful?
Other than that...not a whole lot.

BLM's to me are glorified artillery cannons....and rather good at that job. They drop anchor...and nuke the target...so to speak. I'm reluctant to change that...as it makes them unique in that regard.

I wouldn't really count role actions when discussing job utility. Gear and skill being equal, there is no reason to take BLM over SMN from a performance stand point. Not to mention Manashift is inferior to Refresh in about every way possible.

I do agree with your second point and wish BLM identity wouldn't change from what it is now as the single most selfish DPS.

[Fredco191]

They should make Crutch more useful.

[akaneakki]

Ironic....
I'd tell I'm to take their parser and shove it where the sun don't shine.....and then report them for violation of ToS.
- those people are idiots.

The first line there doesn't suit well with your last one. I mean I get it, but also same time if people want speedkill comp so let them? Many times people let samurai join the groups, but many sams being good players? I've honestly seen only a few. Even in dungeons most wont aoe and sam is extremely strong on multitargets. And performance of a dps can be seen without a parser, just need to pay attention and many sam's are bad. I don't know how OP plays and I don't really care either way, I can understand that some people don't want sam in their group and it's unfair, but samurai has big personal dps if played well, but in most cases that won't make up for a good party comp, unless the samurai does so well it just cancels a group buff. Even if people go around having a ninja etc, doesn't mean it will be a good group, the player themselves need to be good in the first place.And performance of a dps can be seen without a parser, just need to pay attention and many sam's are bad. I don't know how OP plays and I don't really care either way, I can understand that some people don't want sam in their group and it's unfair, but samurai has big personal dps if played well, but in most cases that won't make up for a good party comp, unless the samurai does so well it just cancels a group buff. Even if people go around having a ninja etc, doesn't mean it will be a good group, the player themselves need to be good in the first place.

[ServerCollaps]

Yeah Samurai is in a really bad spot right now and the MNK buffs didn't help at all. You are pretty much just a melee Black mage at the moment..my condolences.

but blm have way higher dps and even more utility (mana shift, addle)

[Dzian]

It's amazing how many people don't understand META. and what it actually means. (Most Effective Tactic Available)

So if a actual META exists:-
there are 2 tank slots in a raid group. and 3 tanks. so there will always be 1 non meta tank.
there are 2 heal slots in a raid group and 3 healers so there will always be 1 non meta healer
there are 4 dps slots in a raid group and 9 dps job so there will always be 5 non meta dps jobs.

it is basically impossible for every job to be in the META.

on the other hand:-
if all the tanks are equally viable and it doesn't matter which 2 you take or
if all the healers are equally viable and it doesn't matter which 2 you take.
and even if only 6 of the 9 dps are equally viable and it doesn't matter which 4 of those 6 you take.

then you don't have a META because you have 15-20 maybe more possilbe party compositions that are equally as effective as each other. none of those is more effective than the rest. even if the other 3 dps are busted it doesn't make a META.

are some jobs weaker than they should be yes they are? but not because they don't fit into a META. basically 50% of the jobs will never fit anyway