To anyone from SE or the Developer Team I need your help in a theft situation

[Masamune1004]

I am against the forums being used to resolve an issue that can be dealt with purely in game, such as denouncing some loser for spamming chatlog with racist comments - which can be dealt with a simple /blacklist as was suggested. This is an entirely different scenario Masamune, and when the facts change so does my opinion.

The OP tried to resolve the issue in person with Nick Zealot which resulted in Nick asking him to publicly apologize... for what? calling a GM on him 15 minutes AFTER he asked so kindly? I would have done the same. I would have asked kindly and waited for a response (which is what the OP did), but when that player is bragging to his ls for 15minutes rather than responding to personal tell, there is a serious show of disrespect. And since nothing could be done in game, then the forums become a necessity.

So basically, follow the rules only when they're convenient to you? Nice. And how do you know that the OP is telling the truth anyway? He could've made the whole story up and photoshopped all of the pics just to get some free money.

Why are you focussing on the Family Guy metaphor as unrealistic when the first metaphor given was a real life example that perfectly fits the scenario? You should focus on the good, not the bad; and give credit where credit is due. So I will reiterate the example because you probably didn't read Norack's OP either:

An old, senial woman goes to the grocery store to purchase $9.50 worth of merchandise. At the counter she hands the cashier a $100 dollar bill muttering the words "here's a 10 spot, keep the change, youngster" honestly thinking she handed him a $10 bill. The boy pockets the hundie and replaces it with a $10 bill he had in his pocket. He profits from the ignorance of another individual.

To think that people on this forum think this is "right" in any way just makes me sick!

I never said it was right of Nick to do what he did. Just because something is wrong does not make it illegal. The woman in the example gave her consent to giving the 100 to the cashier and told him to keep the change. Him taking the 100 was not a crime, although switching it with a ten from his pocket was stealing from the company. What if the cashier hadn't noticed it was a 100? Should he go to jail for that? I only focused on the family guy one because the other one had been replied to already.

To clarify: I do not think what Nick did was right, but it also wasn't illegal. Wrong =/= Illegal.

Let's imagine this in real life: I get real drunk one night and offer someone $100 for something obviously not worth $100. This person agrees and we trade. The next morning I realize what i did and go back to the guy and ask for a tradeback. He says no. Is he a total dick? Yes. Can I call the police and get him arrested? No.

Another example, closer to the old lady one: The old senial lady goes to the grocery store and gets a loaf of bread priced at $100 and other things priced at $50. She goes to the cashier and he says the total is $150 dollars. The old lady pays. The store did not do anything illegal because the bread was advertised at $100 and she gave her consent to buying it. Very wrong, but not illegal.

[Xianghua]

So basically, follow the rules only when they're convenient to you? Nice. And how do you know that the OP is telling the truth anyway? He could've made the whole story up and photoshopped all of the pics just to get some free money.



I never said it was right of Nick to do what he did. Just because something is wrong does not make it illegal. The woman in the example gave her consent to giving the 100 to the cashier and told him to keep the change. Him taking the 100 was not a crime, although switching it with a ten from his pocket was stealing from the company. What if the cashier hadn't noticed it was a 100? Should he go to jail for that? I only focused on the family guy one because the other one had been replied to already.

To clarify: I do not think what Nick did was right, but it also wasn't illegal. Wrong =/= Illegal.

Let's imagine this in real life: I get real drunk one night and offer someone $100 for something obviously not worth $100. This person agrees and we trade. The next morning I realize what i did and go back to the guy and ask for a tradeback. He says no. Is he a total dick? Yes. Can I call the police and get him arrested? No.

THIS is a real example of the situation read and learn Matsume. Stop going around judging and calling people heartless for speaking the truth.

[Matsume]

So basically, follow the rules only when they're convenient to you? Nice. And how do you know that the OP is telling the truth anyway? He could've made the whole story up and photoshopped all of the pics just to get some free money.

To clarify: I do not think what Nick did was right, but it also wasn't illegal. Wrong =/= Illegal.

Let's imagine this in real life: I get real drunk one night and offer someone $100 for something obviously not worth $100. This person agrees and we trade. The next morning I realize what i did and go back to the guy and ask for a tradeback. He says no. Is he a total dick? Yes. Can I call the police and get him arrested? No.

Another example, closer to the old lady one: The old senial lady goes to the grocery store and gets a loaf of bread priced at $100 and other things priced at $50. She goes to the cashier and he says the total is $150 dollars. The old lady pays. The store did not do anything illegal because the bread was advertised at $100 and she gave her consent to buying it. Very wrong, but not illegal.

First of all, there are no rules. A judgement is given on every affair, one judgement does not fit all cases. this is why we have courts. So in no way am i wrong for judging differently on this case than the previous. And yes you are right, it could be shopped, but it doesn't look like it to me.

Secondly, who ever said anything about this being illegal?

Thirdly, most stores give refunds. Especially if its your neighborhood grocery store and you know the manager/owner.

Lastly, since it seems this conversation has yet again elevated to a degree of law I might add that in a court ruling judged by a jury the members of the jury would decide whether this scenario is legal or not. If we are the members of the jury and judge it wrong then technically speaking he would be legally oblidged to give it back.

And yeah, all of you who say it's not against the ToS you are right. Im only defending the morality of the matter.