Allow blacklist to hide spammers abusing Party Finder

[Vulcwen]

That's really all they need to do. Have a GM watch the PF. If there is a cross world thing up selling runs, it's obviously RMT. Ban them.

If they want more evidence they can join the discord and get undeniable proof it's RMT. Find out who is involved in the selling and ban all of them.

In every mmo I've ever played,(which is quite a few) they never seem to actually enforce their own rules. This game is no exception.

That's the problem, I don't think GMs are allowed to search for evidence outside the game, and without that, there is no hard proof that it's RMT.
Content selling for gil isn't RMT, although someone might deal with RMT to be able to buy it, that's a separate offense.

[KaldeaSahaline]

Actually, by requiring other players to contact them outside of game they are insinuating that they're doing something they don't want to show up on the game logs.
Such as, selling this content for real money, or participating in RMT to get the gil from the player on a different server due to them advertising across the entire datacenter.

And those would indeed be violations to SE's ToS.

Doesn't matter. Please refer to my last post. You need to understand how law works. They break no rules UNTIL the actual act occurs.

I understand its frustrating, trust me I do, but the consequences for acting irrationally (which is what some of you are suggesting) would be disastrous to SE. I wish I had a solution to combat the problem, but I unfortunately do not.

Just to give an IRL example - a thief can scope your place out, but until he trespasses/b&e's/or steals he hasn't broken any law and cannot be punished as such. Even if he had a prior rap, he might be followed, checked on, but they cannot "punish" him until an act is committed.

The fact that your defending these sellers is a little disturbing.

Check yourself. I'm not defending anything except rational decision making.

[RokkuEkkusu]

Honestly, Blacklisting should simply prevent them from showing in your PF. I am honestly surprised it doesn't.

This is probably the best answer in this thread as far as blacklisting others goes.

But if the devs think it goes too far, the least they can do is to put the parties of the blacklisted people in the end of the Party Finder list above or below the list of Locked Duties the player has not unlocked yet.

[Thamorian]

Bumping this back up. I'd like SE to take this suggestion into serious consideration.

[Katie_Kitty]

Might be an unpopular opinion here, but I believe these people should be banned and there should be zero tolerance for selling clears by directing people to out-of-game chat applications. If there was ever a sign of clear intention to engage in RMT, it is that. They are intentionally doing this to avoid being held accountable.

Doesn't matter. Please refer to my last post. You need to understand how law works. They break no rules UNTIL the actual act occurs.

I understand its frustrating, trust me I do, but the consequences for acting irrationally (which is what some of you are suggesting) would be disastrous to SE. I wish I had a solution to combat the problem, but I unfortunately do not.

Just to give an IRL example - a thief can scope your place out, but until he trespasses/b&e's/or steals he hasn't broken any law and cannot be punished as such. Even if he had a prior rap, he might be followed, checked on, but they cannot "punish" him until an act is committed.

No offense but your posts on this subject might be the dumbest takes I've ever seen. This has nothing to do with the law, like, at all. The law is not a factor here. What matters is the game's rules, and those can be changed at any time as well as enforced after the fact if they wish. And no nobody is going to sue anyone for getting banned from the game, this is ridiculous. I hope you're just trolling honestly.

[xxPheNoMeNa]

Might be an unpopular opinion here, but I believe these people should be banned and there should be zero tolerance for selling clears by directing people to out-of-game chat applications. If there was ever a sign of clear intention to engage in RMT, it is that. They are intentionally doing this to avoid being held accountable.

While it may be obvious how they're going about selling clears, it's still only circumstantial and your idea could still be abused further. Players could simply make new service accounts for advertising purposes, and on the other hand you can't allow 3rd party chats to be admissible since you can't prove authentication of "who" that person really is.

Furthermore, we now have the world visit system releasing soon and player trading is confirmed to be allowed. So once that system is released, you can no longer be certain how a person is "paying" to buy clears because they now have access to trade gil directly across servers.

[Singularity]

IMO they should just make advertising of clear sales via cross-world PF against ToS in and of itself. It would be the easiest thing in the world to police since they have only to look at the PF and see if anything is there, and I would presume it would have a significant effect on the RMTers' rate of sales if they can't advertise in-game.

[swiss_Momo]

at the very least listing it under "roulettes" instead of "others" should be reportable as spam