Should players be able to sell Mogstation items?

[Roda]

Maybe. I'd like to see something similar to the wow-token system where you could buy gametime or store credit with money.
Well that or SE deleting the store all together.

[Istaru]

Since this came back with the same tired justifications:

My answer last year was No.
My answer today is still No.
My answer tomorrow will be No.

It’s amazing how much WoW gold is still for sale on the Internet since their addition of WoW coins or whatever killed off RMT.

A simple google search shows that plainly.

[Aylis]

Hey, was wondering how people felt behind allowing players to buy and sell cash shop items.

Personally I would like something to spend Gil on. Just a general question, hope it does not turn into a shit storm.

It really wouldn't bother me at all. I'm not one to tell a person how they can and can't spend their money. If they want to buy something off the cash shop and sell it on the auction house then let them have at it as far as I'm concerned.

Personally though I'd much rather see a system like Crysta (or insert other currency name here) that has a chance to drop in game and can be used to purchase things off the cash shop as an alternative method of getting something off there.

[ChaseNetwork]

When it comes to RMT, I don't believe the current Mogstation inventory would have any impact, as theirs is unrelated to the current inventory in the RMT market.

If they added Allagan Platinum Pieces as a purchaseable thing, that would be a different story.
I suppose it could affect the dyes, since they do have in-game achieveable equivalents, so they could have competition there.

[Dionysius]

We should at least have an alternative to get MogStation items from being active in the game like the "Achievement Certificate".

[Brynne]

The potential issue here is that by allowing people to sell super shiny mogstation items, that's going to create a pretty strong desire/need for gil. I imagine the bots and actual RMT would be far more active if this were to become a thing. People want their shiny items right away, and not everyone wants to spend the time farming for it.

Not taking sides here exactly (I'm kind of on the fence about this in general), but if a person wanted to spend money for the item rather than gil, the option is still there to... buy the item yourself directly from the mog station. So I don't think this in particular would get people to buy more gil from RMT.

[Skivvy]

Not taking sides here exactly (I'm kind of on the fence about this in general), but if a person wanted to spend money for the item rather than gil, the option is still there to... buy the item yourself directly from the mog station. So I don't think this in particular would get people to buy more gil from RMT.

I guess this boils down to the actual RMT costs and how much people will sell items for. I don't know Gil prices at all - would it even be possible to get 20m- 40m (or more)for less than $30? Again no idea what the actual mounts and items would go for, so perhaps this is all a needless worry. :x

I guess my concern was that if RMT can just make the gil cheaper to buy vs. buying straight the item from the Mogstation, there is gonna be a problem with increased botting.

[Awha]

My true ideal situation would be a copy and paste version of WoW tokens. Where one could buy $15 worth of crysta for $20 and the value is not regulated by the players posting.

In TOR you can sell items on the GTN and to a degree at the very least within my circle of friends it did encourage RMT since when I was playing it was possible to get 1 billion credits for under 30 bucks from certain sellers. Due to the numerous infinite credit exploits that went unchecked and was easily able to avoid the removal of said credits when they went to punish. Though as you said I think it will only be an issue if prices drop to absurd ranges.

[Seraphor]

*IF* you are able to buy the amount of gil needed for an item for less than the actual mogstation price, some people may consider that a decent option. As it is, people already risk their accounts to buy gil, that's not going to suddenly stop just because you can now sell mogstation items.


If RMT prices are still just super crazy and high (again, I really have no idea here..), then I don't think they would be much of a factor. And if that's the case, I'd actually be OK to have the mogstation items sold in-game.

My only concern ATM is that selling mogstation items will create a huge 'need' for in-game gil --> could lead to more bots --> could lead to possible inflation

The peole who currently employ bots, are the people who need gil to sell for real money.
This would eliminate a lot of their market.

The other people who who need gil, buy gil with real money, and would now have a legitimate avenue to do so.

The mogstation items themselves would be luxuries like any other expensive item in the game, and those with disposable income would buy them like they currently buy rare drops of high end crafts.
Does crafting and rare drops current cause botting?

I cant imagine people employ bots for their own personal gil generation, it's too risky, and takes a degree of knowhow that most people wouldnt kbow where to begin.
Players who need gil would either gain it normally, or buy it (in this case via mogstation items), rather that start botting.

[Skivvy]

The mogstation items themselves would be luxuries like any other expensive item in the game, and those with disposable income would buy them like they currently buy rare drops of high end crafts.
Does crafting and rare drops current cause botting?

We'll never know the actual statistics behind who bots, who buys gil, where the money goes, etc., so all of this is just speculation.

So with that said, seems like gil is mostly useful for housing, glamours, expensive/rare drops, and some gear. Some of these carry a pretty high price-tag (like that 40M emote on Balmung), so I would definitely say that crafted items and/or rare drops are something that people may very well buy gil for. And if there is a demand for gil, you can bet the RMT bots will be there.

This is why I have the concern that if you introduce some highly-sought after mogstation items, that demand for gil will probably increase, which could signal to RMT to double-down on their efforts. And when you see a lot of gil coming into a game, inflation follows.

So yeah, there's a lot of "if's and maybes" mixed in there, but I think they are somewhat valid concerns. Again, only SE really knows the bot/RMT situation and how it looks, so all we can do is toss out ideas and thoughts.