How did we get here?

[BrodeurBear]

oh NOOOOOO way! Then delete all the decoration items, all the garden decoration items etc from the game, it's an enjoyable thing to do for people, and if they are FC only then you cannot argue that you need them to look pretty if all they serve is that function.

I'm looking forwards to seeing how much more they can make a disaster from this crisis again though! How many more subscribers can they insult!

[Sesera]

I will add more to my last comment since I post a bit in a hurry.

So while some people might not have started with the plot they wanted, they weren't left to wait until whoever knows to get a house.
There is a big difference between not getting the plot you want because someone was faster and not getting the plot you want because you are not allowed to buy it while some other are free to.
So yes, wheter you like it or not when the restriction will be lifted the only plots available will most likely be the ones noone wants hence the word "leftover".
Also I'm saying why people are angry and this is why not because houses are cheap or there is a lack of gil sink.
As for the gil sink if there is anybody mad over having too many gil feel free to send me gils.

[Reyn]

I don't agree that personal housing is a problem. When they were FC only, people just made solo FCs and bought a house anyway. I have a friend that still has his solo FC house. In addition to his main FC's house, and a personal cottage he just bought. If anything, not having personal housing contributed to the problem in the long run. There's lots of people leftover from the old days that have multiple houses because of it.

However, I'm 100% in agreement that a cut in cost caused this. Housing should not be so easy to attain. When demand eclipses supply, lower prices are never the answer.

I remember when picking out a house was so leisurely. People actually waited for land to devalue, and had time to debate between available plots. I feel bad for people that lost their prime choices and just rushed for the first house they could get to. They never really got that shopping and debating experience, which I rather enjoyed.

[Taebok]

Let's stop pretending that FC's NEED houses more than individuals.
FC houses are nothing more than glorified personal houses with few members getting access to the benefits and most members getting nothing out of it.

[Nefiiria]

As for the gil sink if there is anybody mad over having too many gil feel free to send me gils.

Same, I could use a spare several million gil. I'll spend it wisely. Or just spend it on orchestrion rolls. Not sure which sounds better right now. :P

[Settiesama]

Let's stop pretending that FC's NEED houses more than individuals.
FC houses are nothing more than glorified personal houses with few members getting access to the benefits and most members getting nothing out of it.

Well, everyone in the FC gets the house only rank 3 FC actions, and access to Private Chambers in it at least. So you can't say they get nothing outta it.

[Ametrine]

I was apart of the whole shebang in 2.0, and holy crap.

Part of the issue with the "luxury" of housing is that the obscene prices were actually that high in an attempt to pull as much money out of the markets as possible. There was a notorious exploit at the end of 1.0 that allowed players to make millions of gil from Atomos event drops.

SE also attempted to lower the total money cap in 2.0 by a few integers, meaning ported legacy players could potencially lose billions. This was met with outrage, so SE had to work spaghetti code magic to keep that from happening.

Housing was supposed to serve as the ultimate gil deleter for the super rich, and it fundamentally failed. It continues to do so now from the lack of plots.

Also, when the initial pricing cut occured, it was just as bad as Shirogane's launch was. The initial 100mil+ pricing didn't actually last that long since even the servers with an apparent fuckagillion gil wasn't seeing houses getting purchased.

[Mikki]

Quite the contrary in fact.
People are mad because they wanted a house but since there were no plot available due to sad circumstances then they announced new house/plots/wards for 4.2 and people were happy because at long last they could get a house.
But a week before 4.2 was released they said "Nope sorry only leftover for you, if there is any that is."
So if people had to put even more effort to get an higher amount of gils just to get their hopes crushed they most likely to be even more angry.
Sure less people angry but the people who farmed enough won't be that's for sure.

The idea would be that most people couldn't afford it, like when housing first came out. People just accepted that they couldn't afford a house. If it were the case that the majority of players couldn't afford the ridiculous prices, that would mean there would be more supply due to less people purchasing (especially when you lose the house if you don't enter it for basically just a single month). So the players who DO work their bums off for a house would be able to afford it and there would be more supply available. Yes, on huge servers like Balmung there may still be some issues but it would definitely be less so since not everyone and their mother would feel entitled to a house, since the average player isn't going to sit around making 20+ million gil - even less would do so if there were meaningful gil sinks in the game, which there aren't. 2 ~ 3 million? That's easy to get even if you aren't trying that hard, especially with no gil sinks. So everyone feels like they should be able to get a house by default.

I do think everyone should have the opportunity to get a house but I think we should be encouraged to work hard for it with a higher price tag. Cheap prices + low supply = HUGE demand aka disaster. High price + low supply = low to moderate demand aka not as bad. Also if apartments were better then that would help...........

[The_NPC]

Can agree that the lower housing price's truely started the cataclismic disaster we have now, even when they added Personal housing as an Option some Smalls on Behemoth were still unused (heck even a few Mediums & larges were still unused then too, hence how my FC back then got a Medium in a Lav bed sub-ward... which I gave up not to long ago as the FC died to the point that I was "last one standing" & was planing to leave it)

As much as returning to old prices maybe a good idea it probably won't fix the situation very much, if at all

[Raven2014]

Quite the contrary in fact.
People are mad because they wanted a house but since there were no plot available due to sad circumstances then they announced new house/plots/wards for 4.2 and people were happy because at long last they could get a house.
But a week before 4.2 was released they said "Nope sorry only leftover for you, if there is any that is."
So if people had to put even more effort to get an higher amount of gils just to get their hopes crushed they most likely to be even more angry.
Sure less people angry but the people who farmed enough won't be that's for sure.

And again, the whole reason they can be mad to begin with is because they can "afford" to be mad. I don't disagree that the reason people are mad because they can afford a house but can't get one, but that the only because they can afford the house. Do you own a Ferrari or a Rollroyce? Do you wake up every morning antagonizing over the fact you don't have one of those? Most people don't, we just move on with our Camry or Accord. But of course if a Ferrari is so cheap that you can buy it after just a year of saving, yet because supply is so limited your chance of getting one is next to none, of course you will be mad.

You always gonna have problem, you always gonna have people complain, but the fact of the matter is back when housing was expensive and not available to Private, SE had a much smaller problem on the plate than they do now.