Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[Vstarstruck]

Do them once and be done with it.



AGAIN, it doesn't change my stance. After all the complaints about skipping cutscenes or not getting to experience the changes my empathy is extinct. How many times was it told to new players "watch them in the inn" so I am now stating "suck it up."

You give people a choice, if people want to skip the CS let them, you do not force people to do something they do not want to. I disagree with the change in the general sense as SE should not be forcing that to begin with, and have an even greater opposition making the change effect premade groups (what if people want to do min level challenge and not watch the CS? they have a right to do so) The change also sholdn't be effecting the inn.

All I see your "stance" if you call it that, is white knighting SE, they do not need it.

As far as your complaints about time management, there is a few things for that.
1. you are only doing so 5 mins at a time, max 20 times a day, I can post something, then go back to whatever else I was doing. If I did this in a DF I would be kicked.
2. people multi task, if i had time to warrant the current MSQ, premade or otherwise, I can be posting while watching those CS.

I get it you do not value your time, a lot do, however, and it is wrong to force your PoV on them.

[Wintersandman]

I get it you do not value your time, a lot do, however, and it is wrong to force your PoV on them.

I value my time. Which is why I haven't touched the MSQ roulette in months. If you value yours as much as you say you did you would just skip it. People devalued all the first timers, time, which was their experience in the dungeon and they didn't really have a choice. It was either participate or watch cutscenes. That is disrespecting their time when you say you value yours. You should also value time of others. Saying I am white knighting isn't really an offensive comment, so I don't really see the point of even throwing that out. Honestly I am sick of people complaining about the MSQ roulette when you can move beyond it. The dungeon really isn't that fun which is why it got dropped all the way back to 2.0. If you would like i can show you the forum posts. I am sorry your quick exp/tomes is no longer there, get over it.

[Vstarstruck]

I value my time. Which is why I haven't touched the MSQ roulette in months. If you value yours as much as you say you did you would just skip it. People devalued all the first timers, time, which was their experience in the dungeon and they didn't really have a choice. It was either participate or watch cutscenes. That is disrespecting their time when you say you value yours. You should also value time of others. Saying I am white knighting isn't really an offensive comment, so I don't really see the point of even throwing that out. Honestly I am sick of people complaining about the MSQ roulette when you can move beyond it. The dungeon really isn't that fun which is why it got dropped all the way back to 2.0. If you would like i can show you the forum posts. I am sorry your quick exp/tomes is no longer there, get over it.

None of this addresses the main point.

Why should there be force unskippable CS for people that make their own groups, that may want to try min ilevel challenge? Why is the inn set at the set speeds same with the duty? If you value other people's time like you try to claim, you wouldn't be arguing in support of the change. (Thus white knighting applies to you, it is not an insult, just a fact in what you are doing. You are right, it was not meant to offend you. Can facts be offensive? such an odd notion to imply) If a new person to the game, or alt does not care about the CS, they have a right to skip them, not hear someone posting "Oh it is only 90 mins it shouldn't bother you" maybe you value you own time but you certainly not valuing others with the way you construct your sentences.

Also your bold is flat wrong, people had a right to watch them as they do the dungeon, it is called making your own party or talking to the pug group that you want to watch them. I have not seen any drama with groups that try to communicate in a civil manner. Since this thread is about groups you make, everyone had that option before 4.2 how to run it, now they don't. You may be sick of hearing people complain of MSQ, and you know what I ma sick of? People trying to make you accept bad changes to the game, flaws in the game.

People have a right to speak out on a bad change, get over it.

[Wintersandman]

People have a right to speak out on a bad change, get over it.

Just as I can suck it up/get over it. The only flaw in the game was making the cutscenes so integrated in the first place. The only suggestion I agree with is making these solo duties and then yes people can do whatever they want. People complained for over 3 years about having to skip cutscenes, people dropping, getting told "watch in the inn". I didn't see drama in groups but I did see people get locked out of the entire dungeon experience, which is disrespectful to their time.

Which probably leads to that SE had to code it to a global setting which is why it affects the inn, premade, parties, unsynched parties, etc. So rant, whine, complain, throw a tantrum all you like but the most logical approach to appeasing everyone is to make these solo.

[Vstarstruck]

Just as I can suck it up/get over it. The only flaw in the game was making the cutscenes so integrated in the first place. .

It would be illogical to me to hear someone say this and then say people do not have a right to skip them.

SE did it globally because they did a hasty change without thinking, only reason. This is simply the result of a half bake idea, no different then the glam dresser. People complained and complained on these issues while they did nothing, then overnight they try to bandaid fix then wonder why people are unhappy.

[Wintersandman]

It would be illogical to me to hear someone say this and then say people do not have a right to skip them.

Actually it's not illogical as the root of the entire 5 years of complaints plus this thread are due to either being forced to skip or not being able to skip. Do you really need me to resurrect all of the threads of people saying "Watch them in the inn" or the empathetic people saying "it's SE's fault for making the cutscenes integrated and this is the last time this happens because SE learned their lesson". This is a topic I have followed for a long time and even then I said "it sucks create your own pf" but my first time through the person i ran with said "skip the cutscenes as people don't want to wait".

I can't speak to the glamour dresser as I haven't even looked at it and it is way off topic. I would rather they spend the resources on other things than trying to separate all of the cutscene variances for two dungeons, that I will most likely never touch until they release the next expansion.

[BillyKaplan]

Actually it's not illogical as the root of the entire 5 years of complaints plus this thread are due to either being forced to skip or not being able to skip.

Neither option is acceptable. You're telling us to suck it up because newbies were told that up until now... and that somehow makes the new situation right, how?

[Vstarstruck]

Actually it's not illogical as the root of the entire 5 years of complaints plus this thread are due to either being forced to skip

People where NEVER forced to skip, they where free to make their own party. Now and HW it only required one person to come along with the person that wanted take their time on them. What you are suggesting is forcing 7 people to wait 1 hour to clear something for 1 person in a pug. One person thinking that is insanely selfish. This change also hurts people that want t go their own pace, why should I be forced to watch the CS at this set speed in preform? what if I want to take longer? This change is half baked and hurts everyone, in regards no one has a choice with how they do things now. What about those that read fast and their set pace feels slow? people have a right to how quickly or slowly they go though them, you do not set the pace for people, forcing the same pace on everyone.

People that wanted to watch the CS in a pug where free to do so, most that communicated got to do so. People kicked people for appearing to stand afk and not stay anything, or where flat out toxic expecting 7 people to wait for them.

People had options before 4.2, now people have none, pre formed groups should have a right to skip CS regardless if they are new or not, you give people a choice, disagreeing with this simple idea and basic human right is white knighting this change for no reason what so ever.

I can't speak to the glamour dresser as I haven't even looked at it and it is way off topic. I would rather they spend the resources on other things than trying to separate all of the cutscene variances for two dungeons, that I will most likely never touch until they release the next expansion.

guess what then? if they do not have the resources to properly change the MSQ!!!! then they shouldn't of did anything to them in 4.2! A much smaller and wait and see change should just been a warning about that it has lot of CS in them and it may be advised to make your own group if you want to watch them. This change on everything is too drastic, unneeded and unwanted. SE never forced people to use the duty finder or skip CS, people had a options before 4.2, now no one has none, not how you treat people, not how you treat adults.