Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[Hestzhyen]

ITT: "I didn't read the OP but I want to let everyone know that skipping long cutscenes is terrible and you should feel bad for doing the MSQ roulette with motives other than helping newbies."

I don't get why people are so upset about this change unless they are doing it for experience or poetics. That was the only time I queued up for MSQ. I dreaded it everytime. CM and Prae aren't that fun and people have been skipping the story since 2.0 and people have been complaining about it since then. If you don't like the change then don't do it as previously someone else said. There is no reason to do this except for the first time unless you are there for the exp or poetics. I would watch a newbie almost every night get locked out in cutscenes. I would watch some newbies get caught in perma cutscenes. I actually agree with this change.

This is about letting people who go into the instance unsynced (read: with a pre-made group, likely with some level 50+ help) skip the cutscenes if they want to. There are like a dozen other threads to complain in about the merits of the change itself. Though it's been so far derailed already that I guess it doesn't matter any more.

SE needs to do some serious work on their back-end and the supporting infrastructure. They can probably make do for another few years with what they have but all these highly visible limitations will become bad press sooner or later. Forced CS played at a nonadjustable rate (even in inns!), regardless of party type or composition, is not good design. If people deliberately go in as undersized let them do what they want regarding the story scenes.

[Wintersandman]

This is about letting people who go into the instance unsynced (read: with a pre-made group, likely with some level 50+ help) skip the cutscenes if they want to. There are like a dozen other threads to complain in about the merits of the change itself.

Ok 2 dungeons with an unskippable cutscene you run through once each. 90 minutes of your life versus 35 is worth 6 pages of discussion. When we had years of prae complaints. People have spent more time complaining about the change then doing the one run each.

Here complaints started at least 3 years ago and have been going on longer. I also did read and it doesn't change my stance.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-the-cutscene

Here is another post from less than a month ago. The people who were forced to skip or got told "Watch them in the inn" didn't have a choice in not doing these dungeons.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Fix-Praetorium

If it truly bugs people that much then don't do them.

[Hestzhyen]

Ok 2 dungeons with an unskippable cutscene you run through once each. 90 minutes of your life versus 35 is worth 6 pages of discussion. When we had years of prae complaints. People have spent more time complaining about the change then doing the one run each.

Here complaints started at least 3 years ago and have been going on longer. I also did read and it doesn't change my stance.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-the-cutscene

Again, this thread is about letting people who go in with a pre-made group skip them if they want to. Now that the MSQ roulette is enforcing the "intended" experience on everyone, why not let the people who have already seen the story or don't care to sit through all the CSes skip them if they don't go in via the roulette? I also ran those dungeons back in '14 and was forced to skip the cutscenes when i70 was hot stuff, but that doesn't have any bearing on asking for unsynced options in 2018. Flip-flopping who has the poor experience isn't a good answer. SE can do better.

Believe it or not, there are new players who just want to bum-rush their way to the current end-game. There are players with alts. There are people who cannot devote the time to watch them all in one sitting, people who can read faster than the text crawls, people who need more time than the auto-play allows... If someone goes through the trouble of gathering some friends to do it as an undersized/unsynced party, let them control how they experience it. Especially if they don't want to watch the story at all.

[BillyKaplan]

If it truly bugs people that much then don't do them.

Kind of impossible to do if I'm bringing an alt up through story and can't afford to shell the gil for a story-skip per alt, isn't it? Also no one is saying how things were was ok. But basically every person in favor of the change has an all or nothing approach where if you don't like this change you must've been ok with how things were before and that's just stupid. None of the posts you linked matter because two wrongs don't make a right. This isn't how they should've fixed it.

[Wintersandman]

Kind of impossible to do if I'm bringing an alt up through story and can't afford to shell the gil for a story-skip per alt, isn't it? Also no one is saying how things were was ok. But basically every person in favor of the change has an all or nothing approach where if you don't like this change you must've been ok with how things were before and that's just stupid. None of the posts you linked matter because two wrongs don't make a right. This isn't how they should've fixed it.

Do them once and be done with it.

Again, this thread is about letting people who go in with a pre-made group skip them if they want to.

AGAIN, it doesn't change my stance. After all the complaints about skipping cutscenes or not getting to experience the changes my empathy is extinct. How many times was it told to new players "watch them in the inn" so I am now stating "suck it up."

[Vstarstruck]

Do them once and be done with it.



AGAIN, it doesn't change my stance. After all the complaints about skipping cutscenes or not getting to experience the changes my empathy is extinct. How many times was it told to new players "watch them in the inn" so I am now stating "suck it up."

You give people a choice, if people want to skip the CS let them, you do not force people to do something they do not want to. I disagree with the change in the general sense as SE should not be forcing that to begin with, and have an even greater opposition making the change effect premade groups (what if people want to do min level challenge and not watch the CS? they have a right to do so) The change also sholdn't be effecting the inn.

All I see your "stance" if you call it that, is white knighting SE, they do not need it.

As far as your complaints about time management, there is a few things for that.
1. you are only doing so 5 mins at a time, max 20 times a day, I can post something, then go back to whatever else I was doing. If I did this in a DF I would be kicked.
2. people multi task, if i had time to warrant the current MSQ, premade or otherwise, I can be posting while watching those CS.

I get it you do not value your time, a lot do, however, and it is wrong to force your PoV on them.

[Wintersandman]

I get it you do not value your time, a lot do, however, and it is wrong to force your PoV on them.

I value my time. Which is why I haven't touched the MSQ roulette in months. If you value yours as much as you say you did you would just skip it. People devalued all the first timers, time, which was their experience in the dungeon and they didn't really have a choice. It was either participate or watch cutscenes. That is disrespecting their time when you say you value yours. You should also value time of others. Saying I am white knighting isn't really an offensive comment, so I don't really see the point of even throwing that out. Honestly I am sick of people complaining about the MSQ roulette when you can move beyond it. The dungeon really isn't that fun which is why it got dropped all the way back to 2.0. If you would like i can show you the forum posts. I am sorry your quick exp/tomes is no longer there, get over it.

[Vstarstruck]

I value my time. Which is why I haven't touched the MSQ roulette in months. If you value yours as much as you say you did you would just skip it. People devalued all the first timers, time, which was their experience in the dungeon and they didn't really have a choice. It was either participate or watch cutscenes. That is disrespecting their time when you say you value yours. You should also value time of others. Saying I am white knighting isn't really an offensive comment, so I don't really see the point of even throwing that out. Honestly I am sick of people complaining about the MSQ roulette when you can move beyond it. The dungeon really isn't that fun which is why it got dropped all the way back to 2.0. If you would like i can show you the forum posts. I am sorry your quick exp/tomes is no longer there, get over it.

None of this addresses the main point.

Why should there be force unskippable CS for people that make their own groups, that may want to try min ilevel challenge? Why is the inn set at the set speeds same with the duty? If you value other people's time like you try to claim, you wouldn't be arguing in support of the change. (Thus white knighting applies to you, it is not an insult, just a fact in what you are doing. You are right, it was not meant to offend you. Can facts be offensive? such an odd notion to imply) If a new person to the game, or alt does not care about the CS, they have a right to skip them, not hear someone posting "Oh it is only 90 mins it shouldn't bother you" maybe you value you own time but you certainly not valuing others with the way you construct your sentences.

Also your bold is flat wrong, people had a right to watch them as they do the dungeon, it is called making your own party or talking to the pug group that you want to watch them. I have not seen any drama with groups that try to communicate in a civil manner. Since this thread is about groups you make, everyone had that option before 4.2 how to run it, now they don't. You may be sick of hearing people complain of MSQ, and you know what I ma sick of? People trying to make you accept bad changes to the game, flaws in the game.

People have a right to speak out on a bad change, get over it.

[Alleo]

Do them once and be done with it.



AGAIN, it doesn't change my stance. After all the complaints about skipping cutscenes or not getting to experience the changes my empathy is extinct. How many times was it told to new players "watch them in the inn" so I am now stating "suck it up."

Not everyone was like that (I always let people watch the cutscenes and waited with them..) and not every single new player want to watch the cutscenes either...the OP want premade groups that do it usynch - thus getting no reward out of this- be able to skip the cutscenes (which you know would still make it possible to watch them even there but gives the choice to not watch them too). This would not in any means make it worse for newer players...so I do get the feeling you are just against it because you like it that people are "punished" by having to watch them anyway. Even though this change will hurt newer players too.

[Wintersandman]

Even though this change will hurt newer players too.

The only thing SE is stuck with is bad decision making.

SE gave the masses what was asked for. If you actually followed those threads, you would see that this was one of those suggestions.