Please remove main scenario dungeon restriction when doing it undersized

[Vstarstruck]

Then I agree with you, no stats, no further discussion. SE chose this way, I believe they had a reason because they have the stats. ''a lot'', ''more than often'', ''this forum'' from your personal experience don't really qualify as stats. If SE thinks it starts to get big number overall, then SE, please find a better solution.

About PF solution, I did not know about how to use PF until this week as the game push you to duty finder now. I am lvl 57. But, if the new players cannot find a group in PF, then what ? ( as I mentioned, players need to be baby sit nowadays sadly), Use MSQ roulette for a fast clear and do it again later ?

I can't imagine the alert ...: Due to fewer people for old contents as the game progress, our system created for you to go on with your quest might result in the cutscenes and bosses being skipped. Please use the party finder if you want to enjoy the full story. If you can't find any party due to the content being old, please do it with duty finder and come back later when you are ilvl 260 and experience like a Echo flashback memory ! ( look like the bard quest ultima trial actually ...)

It is plainly admitting they did a bad system lol. As I said in the other thread and the topic of this thread, I agree with forced CSs being dumb in PF and I agree totally by removing it. Look like SE cannot do it or don't want to do it for whatever reason. I would choose force CSs over pre-4.2 system even with the PF problem.

About the disabilities need, it is out of topic and that's why I did not talk about it. Let not mix everything together.

I think the whole roulette concept and duty finder is insulting to human intelligence and social capability. Same with another major MMO i would not dare to speak here or I will get banned .

still kinda missing the point..

You do not need 8 people to enter it esp though PF. You only need ONE other person, one friend 60+ ilevel 260 that can solo it, are you telling me it is THAT hard to find someone?

As I write this, a person I talk to is telling me about how there was a time some MSQ requirement was not in a df roulette selection. It is now in trial but back then a queue never popped for it. You know what they did? Got friends from friend list/ link shell etc (not sure if PF even existed then) to get a group to clear it because it was not appearing though the duty finder.

THERE is NO REASON what so ever to force 1 hour of cutscenes on people because of a few people unable to talk. I find the change simply insulting, and really rubs me the wrong way when they do this, and not increase access to those with disabilities. That is how they are related to me, I view it as a double standard. I am insulted they did this change, and not address other things.

You would chose forced CS over the old way because you can't talk to people and ask people go on a run with you? Sorry I do not like that concept of extreme babying.

I think.. I addressed the bold in my last post? explaining specifically what I would of preferred over this BS change? a pop up explaining there is long cs and that it might be a good idea to find a few friends to take yer time on it if you want to watch the cutscenes? What I bolded, is an effective putting words in my mouth.. i think.. I really do not know what you are trying to say.

This change was not needed nor asked for, I want to see a revert to pre 4.2 in regards to this issue.

[JaakRoot]

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Sorry, the part in bold was a bit ironic. I don't see SE admitting in game that there system is flawed and that it would result in all the bosses being dead after you finished watching all the CSs... I think duty finder was created to reduce queue time, not reducing player experience in mind.

I was glad they did the change just before I hit 50 because I did not know back then that it could potentially ruined my experience. There was no warning so I think you still agree that a change was indeed most welcomed. Maybe forced CSs was a lazy fix but it did the trick. They need to see now if it really is that bad or most people dealt with it. I don't think it is a huge deal from my point of view. Maybe the time and number will prove me wrong. And if I am wrong, I do hope they find a better solution.

(Again, a few unable to talk, maybe it is a lot unable to talk ? Duty finder is kind of the norm right now, maybe SE wants to keep it that way ?)

[BillyKaplan]

I was glad they did the change just before I hit 50

The question is whether or not you'd be willing to queue for the roulette of it now. Because just like you needed that clear, other people do too, and they rely on people who have cleared before to get that queue to pop. And we have already seen people who answered 'no' to that question, and therein lies one of the problems with this change. Before, people wouldn't run it if they didn't really need it but they didn't mind running it. Now they do.

Maybe the time and number will prove me wrong. And if I am wrong, I do hope they find a better solution.

Two weeks in and they already said they'd up the awards on the roulette. SE already publicly said things aren't going too well right now.

[Krotoan]

SE already publicly said things aren't going too well right now.

Where? By upping the reward?

[BillyKaplan]

Where? By upping the reward?

Yes. Leveling roulette queues weren't dead either but they still upped the awards for Adventurer in Need because things weren't good. I believe we're facing a similar situation.
But even on what I find to be an unlikely situation of numbers not being that bad? It's smart of them to at least acknowledge the vocal backlash. But again, I believe they have the numbers to back it up too or they wouldn't have bothered.

[Vstarstruck]

Sorry, the part in bold was a bit ironic. I don't see SE admitting in game that there system is flawed and that it would result in all the bosses being dead after you finished watching all the CSs... I think duty finder was created to reduce queue time, not reducing player experience in mind.

I was glad they did the change just before I hit 50 because I did not know back then that it could potentially ruined my experience. There was no warning so I think you still agree that a change was indeed most welcomed. Maybe forced CSs was a lazy fix but it did the trick. They need to see now if it really is that bad or most people dealt with it. I don't think it is a huge deal from my point of view. Maybe the time and number will prove me wrong. And if I am wrong, I do hope they find a better solution.

(Again, a few unable to talk, maybe it is a lot unable to talk ? Duty finder is kind of the norm right now, maybe SE wants to keep it that way ?)

I had to take a step back and make sure I do not sound so harsh because I am mad they made this change.

First I really think you need to look at the bigger picture and how things where before 4.2. If a person wanted to take their time on it, THEY COULD! THEY ONLY NEED ONE PERSON! level 60+, like the person that spoke to me about it. People read different situations at different speeds, so she could click fast though stuff she understood more easily and have it not go forward on its own for stuff she wanted take in more. So even with people wanting to enjoy the story, this change hurts them as well, as you can't freely play it at the speed you want it to, like before 4.2

I honestly do not know if a change was really needed outside making them solo instances if this is truly an issue. However the change we got, is not helpful at all. It makes DPS queues longer and not a lot of people are running it now.

At the end of the day you give people options and choice how they want to do things, after 4.2 there is none, how in the world are you glad for a change like that? You can ask people in shout, novice, linkshell, while you are running PF. Getting the old alex done before WT came out was hell for example, but even then, people managed by using all their tools, not QQing to the threads about how the DF is not popping for something. I am in great disagreement that the player base needs this much babying, if so, where is the mandatory find all chest in PoTD? I seen more drama there about damn chests then CS in MSQ roulette.

Honestly I think 4.2 added more drama about CS because now people rant about the change in NN here and there -.-

[Wintersandman]

I don't get why people are so upset about this change unless they are doing it for experience or poetics. That was the only time I queued up for MSQ. I dreaded it everytime. CM and Prae aren't that fun and people have been skipping the story since 2.0 and people have been complaining about it since then. If you don't like the change then don't do it as previously someone else said. There is no reason to do this except for the first time unless you are there for the exp or poetics. I would watch a newbie almost every night get locked out in cutscenes. I would watch some newbies get caught in perma cutscenes. I actually agree with this change.

[Hestzhyen]

ITT: "I didn't read the OP but I want to let everyone know that skipping long cutscenes is terrible and you should feel bad for doing the MSQ roulette with motives other than helping newbies."

I don't get why people are so upset about this change unless they are doing it for experience or poetics. That was the only time I queued up for MSQ. I dreaded it everytime. CM and Prae aren't that fun and people have been skipping the story since 2.0 and people have been complaining about it since then. If you don't like the change then don't do it as previously someone else said. There is no reason to do this except for the first time unless you are there for the exp or poetics. I would watch a newbie almost every night get locked out in cutscenes. I would watch some newbies get caught in perma cutscenes. I actually agree with this change.

This is about letting people who go into the instance unsynced (read: with a pre-made group, likely with some level 50+ help) skip the cutscenes if they want to. There are like a dozen other threads to complain in about the merits of the change itself. Though it's been so far derailed already that I guess it doesn't matter any more.

SE needs to do some serious work on their back-end and the supporting infrastructure. They can probably make do for another few years with what they have but all these highly visible limitations will become bad press sooner or later. Forced CS played at a nonadjustable rate (even in inns!), regardless of party type or composition, is not good design. If people deliberately go in as undersized let them do what they want regarding the story scenes.

[Wintersandman]

This is about letting people who go into the instance unsynced (read: with a pre-made group, likely with some level 50+ help) skip the cutscenes if they want to. There are like a dozen other threads to complain in about the merits of the change itself.

Ok 2 dungeons with an unskippable cutscene you run through once each. 90 minutes of your life versus 35 is worth 6 pages of discussion. When we had years of prae complaints. People have spent more time complaining about the change then doing the one run each.

Here complaints started at least 3 years ago and have been going on longer. I also did read and it doesn't change my stance.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-the-cutscene

Here is another post from less than a month ago. The people who were forced to skip or got told "Watch them in the inn" didn't have a choice in not doing these dungeons.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...Fix-Praetorium

If it truly bugs people that much then don't do them.

[Hestzhyen]

Ok 2 dungeons with an unskippable cutscene you run through once each. 90 minutes of your life versus 35 is worth 6 pages of discussion. When we had years of prae complaints. People have spent more time complaining about the change then doing the one run each.

Here complaints started at least 3 years ago and have been going on longer. I also did read and it doesn't change my stance.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...g-the-cutscene

Again, this thread is about letting people who go in with a pre-made group skip them if they want to. Now that the MSQ roulette is enforcing the "intended" experience on everyone, why not let the people who have already seen the story or don't care to sit through all the CSes skip them if they don't go in via the roulette? I also ran those dungeons back in '14 and was forced to skip the cutscenes when i70 was hot stuff, but that doesn't have any bearing on asking for unsynced options in 2018. Flip-flopping who has the poor experience isn't a good answer. SE can do better.

Believe it or not, there are new players who just want to bum-rush their way to the current end-game. There are players with alts. There are people who cannot devote the time to watch them all in one sitting, people who can read faster than the text crawls, people who need more time than the auto-play allows... If someone goes through the trouble of gathering some friends to do it as an undersized/unsynced party, let them control how they experience it. Especially if they don't want to watch the story at all.