How scared should I be about DPS?

[RopeDrink]

Sometimes I feel like dps'ing as a healer, and sometimes I don't. If you aren't doing progression raiding, there shouldn't be an expectation to. As is so often said - you pay your own sub, play how you want

So do the other X people in your 'team'. It is a self-contained comment vs a team-environment where we all pay our subscriptions, so I really don't get the point of this trite 'I pay my sub' comment as it doesn't mean anything outside of solo-content, where you can laze around as much as you please with no impact on anyone. I'll be over here, throwing stones every chance I get in order to get content done that little bit quicker, giving myself more time to do more things with my 'subscription', because not only is that efficient for myself, it's efficient for everyone else.

[miraidensetsu]

So I have to admit, I'm coming from the steam forums where people are....opinionated? But while I know healer DPS is something you should do because it makes the job less boring and helps your team. There was a guy over there that kept claiming that healing DPS is a bonus and your main role is to heal, so you should focus on that before worrying about DPS.

Healer DPS is a bonus. The healer's role is to heal, indeed and that's why you are on the group to begin with.

But every bonus is welcome (specially on savage/ultimate).

But two others kept shouting him down and saying they blacklist lazy healers who aren't doing their absolute best. I am just now starting to get my gear into I guess a decent place, since I can run all the raids with my gear score. How stressed should I be about putting out top DPS as a healer? Because frankly in roulettes sometimes even when I focus on healing it's all I can do to keep groups up, let alone worrying about trying to put out top DPS.

That discussion should be made with your group. The people here will say that you doing top percentile DPS is the bare minimum for being a decent healer, but your group can have a top DPS that lessen the need of focusing that much on DPS. Or the group is still learning the fight and you are their safety net and should focus more on healing and only DPSing when there are no heal to do. On the end of the day, the only person who can accurately answer that question of your is you, based on the cards you have at hand.

And don't give that much attention to what they say. They have good tips to share, true, but "if opinion were good, it would be sold, not given".

[Taika]

The people here will say that you doing top percentile DPS is the bare minimum for being a decent healer

Having actually read this thread, I'm pretty sure the opposite of this is what "the people here" have been saying.

[Katlyna]

I concur with others posts. If you want to be primary healing, not DPSing you shouldn't worry. As you get comfortable with higher end combat and your gear in relation, absolutely use extra cycles to dot, nuke and AE. And as you get better you can do this more. None the less the offhealer I am with doesn't DPS much at all and we still progress in savage raiding. So even at the high end one healer can focus heavily on healing without much damage.

So don't worry and enjoy!

[Vyriah]

Having actually read this thread, I'm pretty sure the opposite of this is what "the people here" have been saying.

Most of the thread seem off the point though. I think that's because no one really knows about TSW and Rift.
I'm pretty sure anyone coming from those absurdly open game-system MMO is gonna be mechanically scared of doing DPS in FF XIV(outside the absence of double targetting wich is in both of my Rift memories are not too hazy).

It was more a question about the player community.
And the only answer is that some people just want to be angry anyway, no matter how you actually perform.

[Sumizu]

I haven't gotten to the the hardest content yet, but from my personal experience so far I like to DPS as healer too just because it's boring to stand there and watch health bars go down or maybe occasionally dodge some AoEs. If everyone's topped up on health and won't be dying anytime soon, heck, I'll Stone or Holy some mobs if I want to >:v Besides, outside of a boss you have more than enough MP to both DPS and heal.

However, DPS as healer is by no means necessary and let nobody tell you otherwise. DPS is certainly welcomed, to help speed things up but if someone criticizes you because you haven't been doing any then give them a kick in the shin on my behalf and carry on doing you. I mean, until they somehow come out with a healer class that lets you heal based on outputted damage, it should be optional that a healer do anything other than heal.

[Taika]

However, DPS as healer is by no means necessary and let nobody tell you otherwise.

A lot of the highest level content in this game has indeed required healers to DPS for the party to meet the DPS requirements. As in the rest of your group can have fully melded highest item level available gear on them and be the best players of their class in the whole world, and they still would not be able to clear the fight if their healers do 0 DPS. It is extremely misleading to claim healer DPS is "just a bonus" or "not necessary" in this game.

And once again, even if the healer DPS would not be strictly required, it's not fair to make your tanks and DDs push 90% efficiency and activity while allowing your healers to stay far from that.

There isn't even need for contradiction, why are you trying to do that healer DPS discussion over again ?

I am not trying to start another discussion, but I also don't like seeing people spreading misinformation. Since this thread is started by a healer new to healing in this game, and quite possibly read by many people in similar position, it's not good if they get the false image that healer DPS is just "something nice" and not something that's a vital part of playing their job and rightfully expected from them (the level of the expectation depending on the difficulty level of the content they're taking part in). It's a shame if newbie raid healers walk into Savage expecting the other party members to carry the responsibility of beating the enrage timer without them because they have been given a false impression.

Having read the OP, and now again before typing this reply, the topic of discussion includes how players see the role of DPS in healer play, and knowing if it's needed or not and in which content is certainly a part of it.

[Vyriah]

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This was talked times, and times, and times.
It's a bonus, the same way mitigation or raise from a DPS is. That doesn't say anything about how decisive it is for clearing a fight early in the patch (wich is a way to play the game, something you do because you want to, not a neccessity).

The actual subject was about angry player fighting over healer DPS, and was answered with 3 full pages of "most people don't care that much". There isn't even need for contradiction, why are you trying to do that healer DPS discussion over again ?

[Kabooa]

Well this turned exactly the direction I thought it would.

[gumas]

^as usual right? it kinda become a tradition at this point.

anyway for op, i speak this with AST in mind because thats my healer class. pls dont get triggered if it bad, it just a reference...

- go slow, for a start help dps by dot on all mob, its instant so if something bad happen you can react fast

- take a further step. this time cast mallefic but dont spam it, 2-3 times then take a "HP check" on everyone, all good? again, thats what i do at first.

- as for gravity, any less than 3 is not optimal at least for me. gravity can throw you off at first because of the long cast time so cast it once, check everything then cast it again. dont spam it unless you are 100% sure its fine, watch your MP though.

- for boss fight i only recommend dps only if you already know the mechanic, timing and your party gimmick (dps ignore aoe for example), if you want to play it safe just cast dot and mallefic once or two if everyone is good.

just remember that in the end you are still a healer, healing is still your first and most priority, dont hesitate to cancel gravity cast if you think you need to heal, dont be afraid to use your long CD skill just because it has 60 or 90 cooldown, 60 seconds is just 2-3 mobs, time it right and it will be up again in boss fight.

AST get a bit more heavyhanded because of their card, i see a lot of ast either forget to draw card or keep the card until boss only

also i play in jp server so this my personal experience... if you only do DF then set it to JP only, i found that jp party is much more forgiving and more into casual side when it come to DF, at least most that i met is more into "having fun and it just DF" mindset compare to "my f word macro and votekick is ready if wiped" mindset