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    savageink's Avatar
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    On running through this while leveling alts, it can get a bit long. I didn't really notice while going through it the first time. My biggest complaint is all the quests for dungeons and raids and primals that don't close out when you unlock them in the duty finder and take up space in your quest log.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lium View Post
    So after I defeated the Ultima Weapon and saw the various (and well done) cutscenes, and felt all the feels and was ready to jump headfirst into HW content, I discovered that I have to endure 100+ ARR quests first.
    This is the reason why I wouldn't recommend FFXIV to any of friends. Think about all the other FREE MMORPGs out there that have better story, better combat, better user interface, and without a monthly subscription. And then ask yourself why someone would want to get involved with a game like FFXIV, where to get to the end-game content, you have to grind through over 300+ quests (half of which could just as well not be there), or pay to skip it all. It's almost insulting.

    People will often ask me what I'm playing, and as soon as they show an interest, I immediately warn them about why they shouldn't play. And it's always the same answer - the MSQ is such a huge obstacle, it would take anyone an immense amount of dedication, motivation, and time to get through all of it, that they're probably better off getting into something else.

    I really hope they find a better way to deal with this...
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    Auriana Redsteele
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluexBird View Post
    This is the reason why I wouldn't recommend FFXIV to any of friends. Think about all the other FREE MMORPGs out there that have better story, better combat, better user interface, and without a monthly subscription.
    I am thinking .... and can't think of any MMORPG that matches all of that. Few have better story, and those few that do either have worse combat or worse user interface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BluexBird View Post
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    Yet...the story is a staple of all Final Fantasy games. Even a huge chunk of spinoff FF games still have some kind of significant story attached to them. One also has to remember that at the time of release, they were staggered off into patches. Dragonsong and post-Dragonsong have almost the same number of quests - imagine if that was 2.0 and our 4.0 was something else...I guarantee that this same discussion would be had. We who are in 4.2 don't feel it anymore because we're in 4.2, but because pretty much every 2.0 quest builds into 'Before the Dawn', it would be hard to condense some of that down.

    There is the jump potion option...but in turn, that pretty much takes away an optional free 'watch video summary' to skip into HW option. Honestly, I can't think of a way to deal with the 2.x MSQ because of the story. Yea, you could shave some quests, but the vast majority of it would still be a slog no matter what.
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    Well there really is no end game in FF14 just higher numbers. The story it the only thing it has, try to enjoy it.
    Not point in rushing to the end where we twiddling our thumbs all day; waiting for the weekly reset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobs View Post
    Well there really is no end game in FF14 just higher numbers. The story it the only thing it has, try to enjoy it.
    Not point in rushing to the end where we twiddling our thumbs all day; waiting for the weekly reset.


    EXCUSE ME? I WILL BE SITTING OVER HERE PLAYING WITH MY DOLLHOUSE AND DRESSING UP MY CHARACTER UNTIL YOU APOLOGIZE.
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    WHERE IS THIS KETTLE EVERYONE KEEPS INTRODUCING ME TO?

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    Will say, this is another thing that XIV's predecessor handles nicely. XI never forced you to complete the full MSQ before being able to partake in the latest content. ._.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    Will say, this is another thing that XIV's predecessor handles nicely. XI never forced you to complete the full MSQ before being able to partake in the latest content. ._.
    Tanaka was at the helm of that game, and this game(1.0). It didn't work out so well with the newer generation of gamers that came.. and thus we are stuck with Yoshida now. As much as I hate to admit, dude saved the game, rather we like what he does with it over not.
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    Last edited by Rasikko; 02-13-2018 at 02:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasikko View Post
    Tanaka was at the helm of that game, and this game(1.0). It didn't work out so well with the newer generation of gamers that came.. and thus we are stuck with Yoshida now. As much as I hate to admit, dude saved the game, rather we like what he does with it over not.
    I do realize this, but I don't think forcing a full MSQ on ARR players is what saved the game. I was just musing that XI handles access to content far better than XIV does.

    XI also has a massive story, but most end-game content is unlocked after a small handful of quests (from their respective MSQ/mission lines). At that point, you can get your hands dirty right away, or you can continue with the story for additional rewards.

    Every so often people will defend the decision to force full-MSQ completion because "FF games are known for their story!" - and yes, that is true. However, this is also an MMO, not a single-player game. MMOs draw players for a variety of reasons, and forcing them through several hours of content they may not enjoy is rarely the best way to go about things.
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    Famine Cruor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasikko View Post
    Tanaka was at the helm of that game, and this game(1.0). It didn't work out so well with the newer generation of gamers that came.. and thus we are stuck with Yoshida now. As much as I hate to admit, dude saved the game, rather we like what he does with it over not.
    What do you mean by "Stuck with"? Yoshi P. puts out a fun product enjoyed by millions. Are you sure you don't mean "Lucky to have?"
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