Samurai Buff Speculation

[Shiroe]

SAM will never be "top" even if their pDPS is eventually a couple hundred above MNK. Most PFs don't want SAM *or* BLM so yes, both of these jobs need re-evaluation from Square. Slashing debuff literally means nothing because 99% of parties have WAR/NIN. You can clear with both jobs, but why would you want to? It's like taking a $90,000 salary job with 0 benefits (SAM/BLM) vs. an $85,000 one that has 6 weeks paid vacation among other various benefits (rDPS).

top dps was ment ofc on fflogs, where sam has dropped out a lot compared to previous patches.(even if sam top there didn't fix the meta, atleast sam could shine and still had value)

but true, the problem is also having mnk buffed too much... , sam needs a buff AND mnk need a slight nerf (like smn got a slight nerf, in that direction), mnk is just too strong for its utility atm

and btw, top fflogs top player damage dps class will never be fully part of the meta / speedkill..., it would make the class too desired

[Bourne_Endeavor]

SAM will never be "top" even if their pDPS is eventually a couple hundred above MNK. Most PFs don't want SAM *or* BLM so yes, both of these jobs need re-evaluation from Square. Slashing debuff literally means nothing because 99% of parties have WAR/NIN. You can clear with both jobs, but why would you want to? It's like taking a $90,000 salary job with 0 benefits (SAM/BLM) vs. an $85,000 one that has 6 weeks paid vacation among other various benefits (rDPS).

Adding to the Slashing aspect. People forget it's a straight DPS loss for SAM to apply it. Either you gimp the raid by doing your standard 3-Sen opener or gimp yourself by using Yukikaze early, thus Midare won't align with the tail end of other buffs. For a job whose only purpose is high damage, it's hilariously ironic the one non-role skill it offers actually hurts itself. Slashing on SAM really feels tacked on so the devs can claim it gives something.

[Shurrikhan]

Adding to the Slashing aspect. People forget it's a straight DPS loss for SAM to apply it. Either you gimp the raid by doing your standard 3-Sen opener or gimp yourself by using Yukikaze early, thus Midare won't align with the tail end of other buffs. For a job whose only purpose is high damage, it's hilariously ironic the one non-role skill it offers actually hurts itself. Slashing on SAM really feels tacked on so the devs can claim it gives something.

If Yukikaze were at least uniquely self-buffed or always acted as if slashing was applied it'd feel less painful to open with a pre-pop Meikyou Yuki-Shi-Ka, but there's no doubt it's been designed only as a last resort, much like NIN was compared to WAR when Dancing Edge was still required separately from stronger DPS rotations.

[Dzian]

The fact that it is in line with other jobs is terrible, considering that the idea behind SAM is that it's supposed to be the highest personal DPS job.

Hiragana is not that bad really.

Inial hit is 240 potency. Plus 20 ticks at 35 potency. For a total of 940 potency from basically a single gcd.
If you use kaiten that's a total of 1410 potency still from basically a single gcd.

Compare to like shadow gang. Wherein The same 60 seconds you need 3 of them. That's 600 potency plus the for. 800 potency. Your looking at 1400 potency from 3 gcd.

The damage is adds up to be similar sure but 1410 potency from a single gcd is quite a significant amount of damage.
In that respect it's almost 3x more powerful than shadow gang.

[Mahrze]

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autocorrect did as fantastic job on this xD

[Shiroe]

agree! ... many want nin and drg just to buff their own dps (so their fflogs looks better), that's also a main problem..

and why some wont take blm or/and sam in the comps .... or max only one of the two... (forced to go smn in kill/ farm pfs)..

well, every sam should learn mnk too, even if they don't master it fully... (just like every blm should learn smn or rdm too), ..its a reality -.-'

[Shiroe]

personal high fflogs dps > speed kills

that reality counts for the majority of dps

sure, hitting an enrage timer multiple times can alter that at the moment, but even there "personal good performance" is more valuable than a pure meta comp in most cases

[Shurrikhan]

personal high fflogs dps > speed kills

that reality counts for the majority of dps

sure, hitting an enrage timer multiple times can alter that at the moment, but even there "personal good performance" is more valuable than a pure meta comp in most cases

But at present "personal good performance" is class-based and player-competitive, rather than proximity to any true theoretical best anyways. /sigh

[Altena]

Just adding a tiny little comment..

I would love it if an enhanced enpi after a Yaten didn't break an active combo..

I don't think we will see any gameplay adjustments to it really, just some potency tweaks.

[qbansammich]

if you raid, or do any of the content that actually matters... it’s rly not that hard to comprehend the fact that the community doesn’t care about your pDPS as long as your class has utility that will altar their pDPS as selfish as that may sound, it’s 100% the case, if you want to find a decent to HC group atleast. That being said, I would love for SE to make something like Battle Litany a role action for all melees if they reaaally want to make things "equal". I would even be ok with them making both Battle & Trick role actions; thus balancing SAM with DRG and NIN, giving them pretty equal damage overall - obviously making SAM alittle more powerful though because of everything else NIN and DRG already offer to the comp.