How to make lillies useful

[LachleinStratos]

Holy
3 lillies - holy becomes instant cast and its potency increased by additional 50
(holy can easily be used more often)

Divine benison
3 lillies - increase healing by 15% when target affected by divine benison.
(Instead of applying db on tank during prepull, this function allows white mage to place 3 lillies db on tank who is at the verge of dying to top them up quickly.

Plenary indulgence
For the love of god, remove confession and replace them with lillies. Easy fix.

[KDSilver]

"Plenary indulgence
For the love of god, remove confession and replace them with lillies. Easy fix."

So how plenary indulgence potency will work is there's no confession stack anymore ?

[LachleinStratos]

"Plenary indulgence
For the love of god, remove confession and replace them with lillies. Easy fix."

So how plenary indulgence potency will work is there's no confession stack anymore ?

Like either 1 stack of lily , 2 or 3. So just rename confession to Lillies

[miraidensetsu]

Divine benison
3 lillies - increase healing by 15% when target affected by divine benison.
(Instead of applying db on tank during prepull, this function allows white mage to place 3 lillies db on tank who is at the verge of dying to top them up quickly.

I think that another tool for quick topping the tank on the verge of dying isn't needed. Benediction is there for that. Just bene, DB and and regens and he's ready to go.

[Jxnibbles]

Honestly what would holy do for us outside of dungeons? DB healing I don't know, P1 is just boring I don't even know what I would want from it.

Lilies in its current form is useless with how fights are designed in this game since cooldowns are basically set in stone.

I would much rather see them make lilies something that is desirable like some form of unique utility. After the healing requirement which all 3 healers will always meet we offer nothing major to the party.

We also lose in Personal Dps to sch on boss fights thanks to all the ogcd healing they have. Both Sch and Astro can ogcd for Aetherflow and Cards. We have zero ways of generating useless lilies outside of gcds. Our rescources is also used on our first cooldown regardless if we want to or not, While both Astro and Sch can more freely use and hold theirs..

If someone brings up but Whm in dungeon. That is not what classes should be balanced around they should be balanced around boss fights.

[Sebazy]

If someone brings up but Whm in dungeon. That is not what classes should be balanced around they should be balanced around boss fights.

It's ironic that I actually get very good use out of Lilies as they are in dungeons

Unless sigmascape has a lot more tank healing, chances are my Lily gauge is just going to get shoo'd off to a dark corner of my screen come raid time though.

@OP

IMHO You're missing the issue here. The benefits of Lilies are actually reasonably ok. The problem here is that you stop getting enough to make any kind of an impact the moment you've learned an encounter and start optimising things. I pretty much gave up on DB in O4S because I just couldn't guarantee I'd have Lilies or even any way to generate one. That's one horrible bit of design if you ask me.

[Jxnibbles]

It's ironic that I actually get very good use out of Lilies as they are in dungeons

Unless sigmascape has a lot more tank healing, chances are my Lily gauge is just going to get shoo'd off to a dark corner of my screen come raid time though.

@OP

IMHO You're missing the issue here. The benefits of Lilies are actually reasonably ok. The problem here is that you stop getting enough to make any kind of an impact the moment you've learned an encounter and start optimising things. I pretty much gave up on DB in O4S because I just couldn't guarantee I'd have Lilies or even any way to generate one. That's one horrible bit of design if you ask me.

One of my biggest complaints with lilies is the fact it is extremely limited since if you use a cooldown it is gone you can't just hold it. With Astro and Sch you can more freely hold/use onto Aetherflow stacks and Cards.

[Sebazy]

Aye, I built a kind of gameplan for my dungeon dpsing in a bid to try and funnel as many lilies as I could towards Assize. It's just not possible to do the same in raids for the most part

[Daleb]

In keeping their general function the same, but tweaking how they work, I acknowledge I'm making some assumptions about what can be done.

So, casting cure/2 gives you a heal stack, get to 3 heal stacks and damage something to eat your stacks and knock a couple seconds off the CD of all your lily modifiable skills that are currently recharging.
Casting stone gives you a damage stack, get to 3 damage stacks and throw out a heal to eat your damage stacks and do the same thing.

Gives incentive to heal, do damage , and use your off global abilities frequently. Also stops that "I could sanctuary, but assize is just about back and I'd rather use the lilies on it" feeling. Was thinking that which spells would eat stacks would be a more generous list than what generates them basically any healing/damage spell would eat stacks, but only the ST cast time spells would build them.

[Mirch]

you take one lily and put on hair, then you will look qt