Plenary Indulgence is still weird...

[NobleWinter]

Am I the only one who feels like the WHM level 70 Cap Stone ability is just "Meh" at best. I realize it sees some Savage use but that just doesn't sit right with me. Why can't it just convert the existing WHM HoTs? I would use it more if it was:

Convert the effect of Medica II cast by you into Regen on all party members within 30 yalms.
Additional Effect: Heal Party members under the effect of Regen cast by you. Cure Potency 300.

This way you could use Plenary to upgrade your HoT on the party instead of recasting Medica II or cast Medica II again anyway for more healing. It is a lot less cumbersome and would see so much more usage.

[VanilleFang]

Meh. I've grown to be fine with it. I use it when I have a chance but WHM doesn't really need it in most situations.

Sometimes abilities just have niche uses.

[Risvertasashi]

Sometimes abilities just have niche uses.

Should probably stay this way unless/until healer balance changes and... healers have so much healing right now, it's a bit silly. You can kind of see the power creep in how many ridiculous healing mechanics there are now.

I wish they made PI the level 62 skill and Thin Air the level 70 skill. Thin Air is definitely powerful enough to warrant the slot as a Capstone skill. Plenary Indulgence, not at all.

I think this skill flew under the radar with SE as much as it did with the community at first.

I'm not complaining about it being available earlier for level sync stuff, though.

[VanilleFang]

Should probably stay this way unless/until healer balance changes.

Patch 4.3: "Due to unforeseen gameplay changes we have adjusted Divine Benison to better fit the WHM intended play style. We have also made changes to to Plenary Indulgence to help streamline the Lily system"

Divine Benison: 2.5 second cast time added. Shield amount reduced to 10% from 15%. Now costs x amount of MP.

Plenary Indulgence: Now can only be cast when you have at least 1 Lily.

[Tridus]

Yep. "Meh" is an upgrade, considering the first version was "lol, is this April 1?"

It's still a badly designed skill and it still goes entirely against the stated aims of the Stormblood job changes and UI updates: to not have people need to look at status bars to determine what their spells will do. That's why job gauges were added. Meanwhile, the left hand was giving us a spell that requires looking at everyone's buffs to see who it will even heal.

But you can get some use out of it now during periods of sustained AoE damage, or just as an extra boost on top of Medica to get people topped up.

[VanilleFang]

Yep. "Meh" is an upgrade, considering the first version was "lol, is this April 1?"

Yeah, that's why I don't really care anymore. I remember when WHM changes were announced. I was one of the many who literally freaked out. WHM is so good right now I don't want to look a gift horse in the mouth.

I wish they made PI the level 62 skill and Thin Air the level 70 skill. Thin Air is definitely powerful enough to warrant the slot as a Capstone skill. Plenary Indulgence, not at all.

But then I wouldn't have Thin Air for dungeons before 70! D:

[Ghishlain]

I wish they made PI the level 62 skill and Thin Air the level 70 skill. Thin Air is definitely powerful enough to warrant the slot as a Capstone skill. Plenary Indulgence, not at all.

[Tridus]

But they left Secret of the Lily II alone, right?

[VanilleFang]

But they left Secret of the Lily II alone, right?

Of course. There's nothing wrong with the worst passive in the game! It's perfectly functional... in some weird alternate reality.

[Ghishlain]

Of course. There's nothing wrong with the worst passive in the game! It's perfectly functional... in some weird alternate reality.

I imagine the amount of times someone has said "I got my Assize back faster due to Secrets of the Lily II and it helped me save my raid!" can be counted on a single hand *Coughs softly*

I think this skill flew under the radar with SE as much as it did with the community at first.

I'm not complaining about it being available earlier for level sync stuff, though.

But then I wouldn't have Thin Air for dungeons before 70! D:

Indeed - and I won't certainly complain either! Just kinda amusing that such a powerful skill wouldn't be deemed a capstone-tier skill. This ability can literally save thousands of MP!