Why dont you use RAID FINDER?

[NephthysVasudan]

But that is the thing.. if the tool is there why dont you use it really? for me the unpredictability of getting bad players is the same, or is it not?

Re-read what i said....slowly.....very....slowly......and try again.

I suspect your not quite paying attention.

And honestly..I knew about the tool long before you thought to mention it...and still found it pointless/useless. maybe it had its uses before..but party finder is far too efficient to not use it. Hell even duty finder will do the job within 15 mins or less for me.

If the majority don't use the tool...why should i switch? Answer me that. ;P

Oh and before you bring up your "Raid Completed" argument.... people get carried...all the time....doesn't mean they are qualified to do the raid.

So your argument isn't going to hold much weight.

[Jib]

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No need for that type of answer .. Im just asking a genuine question. If this is a system that isnt working, then SE needs to change it. Why have a system if the majority of players is not using it?
Your tone was bad, Im not daft, Im not stupid, just raising in my eyes what is a valid point. Keep your saltiness to yourself i dont need it, I do love the sea though.

Get this, Im NOT defending DF, i couldnt care less, I just want a system where i can queue with good RANDOM players to do my EX trials/savage, that is all .. if it is not working as intended then the subject needs to be raised or not? SE needs to know about it is and "try" to change it as it works as .... "intended" ...

[NephthysVasudan]

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No need for that type of answer .. Im just asking a genuine question. If this is a system that isnt working, then SE needs to change it. Why have a system if the majority of players is not using it?
Your tone was bad, Im not daft, Im not stupid, just raising in my eyes what is a valid point. Keep your saltiness to yourself i dont need it, I do love the sea though.

Get this, Im NOT defending DF, i couldnt care less, I just want a system where i can queue with good RANDOM players to do my EX trials/savage, that is all .. if it is not working as intended then the subject needs to be raised or not? SE needs to know about it is and "try" to change it as it works as .... "intended" ...

Thanks for proving my point...and not bothering to pay attention to what was said.

[Viz79]

Re-read what i said....slowly.....very....slowly......and try again.

I suspect your not quite paying attention.

And honestly..I knew about the tool long before you thought to mention it...and still found it pointless/useless. maybe it had its uses before..but party finder is far too efficient to not use it. Hell even duty finder will do the job within 15 mins or less for me.

If the majority don't use the tool...why should i switch? Answer me that. ;P

Oh and before you bring up your "Raid Completed" argument.... people get carried...all the time....doesn't mean they are qualified to do the raid.

So your argument isn't going to hold much weight.

Was just reading through when I caught this. What a truly patronising answer! And in truth I think it's you that doesn't get it. Which is the true irony of it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

But that is the thing.. if the tool is there why dont you use it really? for me the unpredictability of getting bad players is the same, or is it not?

Not necessarily. Raid finder allows anyone who meets the minimum ilvl, which can group with multiple i340s. While ilvl doesn't inherently determine skill, I prefer people using some assortment of 350 gear to push faster. Likewise, if I happen to stumble into a good party, we can hopefully knock out a handful of runs. With RF, I may never see those people again. On the flip side, bad players can be easily ejected. A Byakko specific example often has people wanting unique jobs to utilize the tank LB3 strat. If you get two Samurai in RF, well, you won't have the LB.

Basically, Party Finder offers control over the party. When I may have to run the same fight upwards or exceeding 99 times. I want to maximize my odds as much as possible.

[Jib]

Not necessarily. Raid finder allows anyone who meets the minimum ilvl, which can group with multiple i340s. While ilvl doesn't inherently determine skill, I prefer people using some assortment of 350 gear to push faster. Likewise, if I happen to stumble into a good party, we can hopefully knock out a handful of runs. With RF, I may never see those people again. On the flip side, bad players can be easily ejected. A Byakko specific example often has people wanting unique jobs to utilize the tank LB3 strat. If you get two Samurai in RF, well, you won't have the ... etc

Bourne I really appreciate your input, but for me that is “thing”.. if the supposed system is not working ... because of reasons you all are saying.. then it MUST change or not? Why have a system that majority of players is not using?! .. it’s just not working at the moment.. and I think it’s important players express their reasons why .. so everyone can see

[AxlStream]

Bourne I really appreciate your input, but for me that is “thing”.. if the supposed system is not working ... because of reasons you all are saying.. then it MUST change or not? Why have a system that majority of players is not using?! .. it’s just not working at the moment.. and I think it’s important players express their reasons why .. so everyone can see

It's obvious why it isn't working. NA/EU doesn't use it but JP does. It's been stated multiple time in this thread alone already. Our players are bad on average. JP players actually freakin try, us we whine when healers do DPS.

[Jijifli]

Why have a system that majority of players is not using?! .. it’s just not working at the moment.. and I think it’s important players express their reasons why .. so everyone can see

Because if I'm gonna run the fight, I'd like to at least know the guy who can't be bothered can't keep queuing into my party.

You join my farm party and can't do the fight? I can remove and replace you. Do it in Raid Finder? We have to vote and I get a 4 hour lockout.

Also since people are mentioning it... Does the punishment for double jobs happen in Raid Finder? I know it's specifically coded to not happen if you queue without a full party into duty finder.

[DracotheDragon]

But that is the thing.. if the tool is there why dont you use it really? for me the unpredictability of getting bad players is the same, or is it not?

why use a tool when another tool that is avalable does it better,

[Fynlar]

Your screenshot partly answers your own question.

For the other part, just try and queue something like Titan EX or Ramuh EX nowadays in DF, and let me know how that goes. That's basically how anything in RF goes.

It's a useless DF offshoot that puts unprepared randoms into hardcore raids. It doesn't take a genius to figure out the likely result.