Unkillable healers

[Nedkel]

Healers are killable. Problem is... most casual players don't know how to do it.

To kill a healer in large scale PvP, all it takes are two to three DPS' to do a coordinated burst with a total damage potency exceeding 14000 as instantaneously as possible (around 2-3 seconds).

I also suggest that if your co-DPS doesn't know how to coordinate with you, simply ignore that WHM and go after more important objectives.

Only if their team is sleeping, because they wont let them focus their healer so easly.
At least i do as DRK with loads of CC i get, its literally impossible to kill my healer or me in a 2 vs 3 fight with dps.

[BubblyBoar]

The problem here and coordination and frontlines. You aren't going to get decent coordination in FL without a premade. It just won't happen. Additionally, you might be able to kill A healer, but you aren't going to kill one with 4 others around. You'd have to burn through roughly 10k HP per GCD to get through all that with your uncoordinated FL PUG. Good luck!

[Belev]

I don't really know much about Pvp, only rank 40 on both Maelstrom and Flames.
What I do know is that I just played the frontline that got me to the edge of desperation.

I just witnessed 6 people:
- 1 DRK - me
- 2 summoners
- 1 bard
- 1 redM
- 1 machinist

being unable to kill a single Astro for over 2 minutes 6 vs 1, until 2 more Maelstroms spawned and managed to kill all 6 of us.
Maelstrom had only 1 single healer and she died 1 time during the whole game despite being marked and focused by both adders and flames.

I don't know if that guy was cheating or not, but I am leveling my AST and I'll give people hell until all the community on Loisoix starts crying for equality (or until all start playing AST in frontlines).

And to reply in advance to the 'learn to play' stuff:
I usually kill solo on my DRK anything (including other DRKs) except MCH, good Ninja or healing class.

[Nedkel]

Not only healers are pure cancer in this game pvp.
Machinists and bards are along with them, its really stupid majority of the pvpers only plays those 2 classes, the balance sucks so bad in this game, its non existent.

[Divinemights]

Not only healers are pure cancer in this game pvp.
Machinists and bards are along with them, its really stupid majority of the pvpers only plays those 2 classes, the balance sucks so bad in this game, its non existent.

Yes, I am agree that Bard and Machinists buff is not warrant, especially Machiensts need to tune down on its burst (wildfire need to be adjust, make it not sync with between the eye) .
These two jobs are not helping PvP community to grow, no meele players are going to enjoy the PvP

[Crit]

healers aren't hard to kill at all, just burst at the same time... also wtf 6 people and still couldn't kill a LONELY ast???? jfc 4.x still shows that skill gap

[Astrophysx]

healers aren't hard to kill at all, just burst at the same time... also wtf 6 people and still couldn't kill a LONELY ast???? jfc 4.x still shows that skill gap

Ooohh... So those where the six players that couldn't kill me. O.o

[Divinemights]

I just witnessed 6 people:
- 1 DRK - me
- 2 summoners
- 1 bard
- 1 redM
- 1 machinist

being unable to kill a single Astro for over 2 minutes 6 vs 1, until 2 more Maelstroms spawned and managed to kill all 6 of us.
Maelstrom had only 1 single healer and she died 1 time during the whole game despite being marked and focused by both adders and flames.

It is either you or your Machinest.
It is either you trigger happy the stun on healer so Machinest can not process the burst combo or your machinest didnt even know anything about the combo.
It is usually only requires Machinest to process burst combo with Bard follow up with silence and barrage to kill a healer on the Frontline

[Lavitiz]

I just witnessed 6 people:
- 1 DRK - me
- 2 summoners
- 1 bard
- 1 redM
- 1 machinist

being unable to kill a single Astro for over 2 minutes 6 vs 1, until 2 more Maelstroms spawned and managed to kill all 6 of us.
Maelstrom had only 1 single healer and she died 1 time during the whole game despite being marked and focused by both adders and flames.

I don't know if that guy was cheating or not, but I am leveling my AST and I'll give people hell until all the community on Loisoix starts crying for equality (or until all start playing AST in frontlines).

And to reply in advance to the 'learn to play' stuff:
I usually kill solo on my DRK anything (including other DRKs) except MCH, good Ninja or healing class.

The fact you and the other 5 can't kill a healer is not that healers are overpowered but all 6 of you are terrible. BIG FACTS. Also, this game is balanced around Comp Feast not FL.

[UnrealTai]

Lol healers absolutely do NOT need a nerf.

First, any premade is going to target them and melt them like butter in a matter of 5 seconds or less. So nerf the class that we target and kill quickly? Makes no sense. In fact I would expect them to be buffed before nerfed. I honestly feel bad for them lately.

Most mael players will as well. Its the cowards that run from people that kill this. omg its people, run for your life! Get to base and do nothing for NO reason. No... stop it. And worse yet stop publically announcing your cowardice in chat by asking everyone else to join you at base and sit there being non productive.

1 War holmgangs, and 2 melees assisting will drop one in a heartbeat. Having a backup healer wont matter much during that. If they dont they are not good melee dps. Heartbeat as in 5-7 seconds. half that for battle high.

Second, mch and brd are insanely weak in 24 person matches. I used to main mch, but only in 72s to keep battle high the whole time. I still will, but again, only in 72s.

As OP stated they cant kill one. Do yourself a favor and do NOT use mch/brd in 24 person matches. Youre killing the group.

This is why more and more premades are popping up. Between people looking for carries cause they suck, and either gc swap or freelance, and others insisting on using jobs that suck even if youre a master at the role, the people that want to win are sick of it. So now all of those people get to deal with pre mades wiping up this bad skilled or bad job picked trash. Why bring this up? Because people that cant even kill a healer are the ones doing it so it applies.

While skill of the bard he played with is unknown the issue isnt the healer, its that brd and mch would need a slight buff for average players. Two skilled players could but would it be a few seconds? No, and then you have to think about perfect timing again if there is a second one, and thats what determines winning or losing. Throw 3 dif premades at each other and now its that + strategy.

Throw 2 Nin’s at one healer and it will melt so fast its not even funny regardless of the healers skill level. There are a lot of valid points here but at the end of the day if you place 2 master skilled ninas vs one healer, and two ranged dps vs another healer, the melee are going to win, get battle highs first, and drop your team out of the run in the big picture.

I know this because weve been doing it in 95% of our FL matches for the past few weeks, coming back to pvp again. Living proof.

Also healers, the premades apologize for making things crappy lately. Thank the skill-less band wagoners.