Raid Progression Check points

[Lycia]

Wow, now I remember why I avoid these forums like the plague. How about we introduce a system where someone can make a simple request without people who find no use coming in and trying to kill it.

God forbid that a bad player or two slips through the funnel Dr Who. Yes, a player who died and stayed dead for the entire encounter can get a clear....it can HAPPEN NOW. Did you complain when they added the current system in? There have been cases of bad players being carried through an encounter, and those players can sign up the next week under Duty Complete parties and still be bad. Should we Toss that system out?

All I'm asking for is for some form of protection for people who actually invest time and energy into learning a fight. I don't have 16 hours a week to wipe on the same mechanic because someone can't read, or wish to sneak into a group and get carried. You guys may be able to do that, but I don't and want some form of protection against it.

This wouldn't KILL the raid. Does Duty Complete kill raiding? This is nothing more but a modified version of Duty Complete. I understand bad players will make it through the funnel, but the less that make it, the better for the people who spent the time to learn the encounter.

[Dzian]

I understand how frustrating it can be for you to know the fight, but can't clear it because you had bad parties.

However, introducing checkpoints would kill these raids.
You would not have to worry about performing well for the whole duration of the fight, people would probably even fail mechanics but still pass it. In the end, there would be even less player who could actually clear those raids because they could "clear" it by being dead, but it wouldn't be important because of checkpoints.

Failing makes you learn from your mistakes. You learn what you must do, and doing the same part of the battle over and over again make it being easier to pass until the next part when the same learning scenario occurs again.
That's the whole point of raiding. Failing, learning, optimizing, clearing, and giving all you can.

With checkpoints, a death would be meaningless and wouldn't encourage to prevent failures.

You'd still have to do the whole of the fight even with a checkpoint system like the one suggested in this thread. So performing well fornthe whole fight would matter just as much as it does now.

We do not want a system where players can begin the fight in phase 3 for example if they've made it that far. That's ridiculous.

What's being asked for is a working filter on party finder / raid finder that prevents people who havent made it to a specific point in the fight from joining your party. (Note this means at the stage the party is being formed so hasn't actually entered the content yet)

Raid finder already has these options but sadly no restrictions in place. So what happens is first timers queue "duty completion" instead of "practice" even though it's there first time entering the instance and then waste the time of everyone else in the party.

In those circumstance those players should only be able to join "practice" group's. And the duty completion option should be locked. Until those players have made it to a specified point within the fight.

I should work like that duty completion box on a fam party. If someone hasn't cleared the duty they cannot join that party. Progression should be the same kinda thing.

Stop people's time being wasted before the time waster joins not after he's wiped everyone 2 or 3 times and the whole group disbands.

So if I created a clear party for v6s for example. And you had never entered v6s before you could not join that party at all the system would not let you. That does not mean that the 8 people in that party would start from phase 3 or anything. They'd still have to do the whole fight. It would just prevent that time waster from joining a party he isn't ready for.