Byakko... HM or EX ?

[Lord_Umbra]

Only reason its 'not that hard' is because you can cheese through it with tank limit break.If it wasnt for this factor i guarantee that most clear parties would be still seeing enrages.
Would be interesting to see if they made that phase instant wipe you regardless of tank lb.I guarantee most would be on forums crying and saying it was too hard.

So basically just remove tank LB completely, we need more content that can use Tank LB not less, not every encounter needs be designed around DPS using the LB, I think great you can ignore all that extra stuff in phase 2 thanks to a useful LB form tanks something that's very very rare in this game.

[Paladinleeds]

So basically just remove tank LB completely, we need more content that can use Tank LB not less, not every encounter needs be designed around DPS using the LB, I think great you can ignore all that extra stuff in phase 2 thanks to a useful LB form tanks something that's very very rare in this game.

Yep. Because of how situational tank LB is, it helps make it even more special when it's added. That doesn't need removing. If anything, we need fights where the mechanics can be dealt with using tank LB. Perhaps even add them to like a half-enrage type mechanic whereby if you're too slow on DPS, you can tank LB to pull through and open up a window of time to finish it (more time than what using DPS LB would save, significantly moreso). That way speedsters can still bumrush it with the DPS LB, and more casual players can use tank LB to keep the extra window open.

[loreleidiangelo]

Only reason its 'not that hard' is because you can cheese through it with tank limit break.If it wasnt for this factor i guarantee that most clear parties would be still seeing enrages.
Would be interesting to see if they made that phase instant wipe you regardless of tank lb.I guarantee most would be on forums crying and saying it was too hard.

Ding ding ding. I'm actually really hoping they patch this out so that parties where nobody breaks 4k DPS can't clear it by getting almost 20 seconds of free damage on the boss (also "no double jobs" is pretty frickin' annoying when you're an Astrologian, the class that can literally change their healing style to fit into any healer comp, including a comp with another Astrologian). I'm always sad to see non-melee-DPS LB use get punted to the side but I really do feel like being able to skip this aspect of it trivializes a big portion of the difficulty of the fight.

EDIT: I guess 3-3.5k is probably a more reasonable barometer since the boss has that long period of downtime.

EDIT2:

No they don't. People tank LB because it's faster. Ignoring Hakutei allows for significantly higher uptime on Byakko. Why wouldn't you take advantage of that?

I respectfully offer the perspective that people are tank LBing both BECAUSE it's faster AND because people are so bad they'll meet enrage without that extra DPS on the boss. It's a crutch for players who don't do decent DPS and a speed method for players who optimize. I don't think they're mutually exclusive.

[Mavrias]

Ding ding ding. I'm actually really hoping they patch this out so that parties where nobody breaks 4k DPS can't clear it by getting almost 20 seconds of free damage on the boss (also "no double jobs" is pretty frickin' annoying when you're an Astrologian, the class that can literally change their healing style to fit into any healer comp, including a comp with another Astrologian). I'm always sad to see non-melee-DPS LB use get punted to the side but I really do feel like being able to skip this aspect of it trivializes a big portion of the difficulty of the fight.

It isn't harder without the tank lb, though. It just takes longer because for a bit of time you're just not hitting the boss. Its simply more efficient to tank lb.

[loreleidiangelo]

It isn't harder without the tank lb, though. It just takes longer because for a bit of time you're just not hitting the boss. Its simply more efficient to tank lb.

Yeah, that's why I made the edit that I did. Not sure if you saw it. It's an optimization tool for good groups but I'm not gonna pretend it's not a clutch for bad groups either.

[Paladinleeds]

(also "no double jobs" is pretty frickin' annoying when you're an Astrologian, the class that can literally change their healing style to fit into any healer comp, including a comp with another Astrologian).

The reason for "no double jobs" is pretty simply actually. For every double job you have, you receive a penalty to LB gains. You gain LB fastest when you have 0 double jobs. That's all it comes down to really.

[loreleidiangelo]

The reason for "no double jobs" is pretty simply actually. For every double job you have, you receive a penalty to LB gains. You gain LB fastest when you have 0 double jobs. That's all it comes down to really.

? I know why people want double jobs, I just dislike that none are willing to attempt to do the mechanic properly and be more flexible with their comps. It's not me not understanding why people do it, it's me disliking it because pug teams for the most part can't do enough DPS to kill the boss otherwise and static groups just want to farm it as fast as possible (though my team sometimes overlaps jobs if people really want to play the same thing).

[whiskeybravo]

I'll be honest, was expecting it to be harder than this after Shinryu. Quite frankly it may be easier than Susano or Lakshmi. Was still a fun fight, I really like the falling phase in particular. A couple of my friends don't, so as a joke I kept telling them "but SE spent a lot of money on this!" lol

Only reason its 'not that hard' is because you can cheese through it with tank limit break.If it wasnt for this factor i guarantee that most clear parties would be still seeing enrages.

If it wasn't tank LB3 it'd prolly just be melee LB3 on the add, not much difference really.. This part was the only thing that held us up, once we got the timing right it was a clear.

[Kazrah]

EX primals are traditionally intended to be the hardest content for casual players while also allowing a transition for raiding players into savage content. As far as that goes, Byakko Ex more or less does the trick with the consideration that hardcore players have already gone up to o8s in the first day.

I've definitely seen people make mistakes on that fight. What's funnier is that the worst players I run into in there seem to be players rocking full crafted sets that somehow even underperform compared to people below the ilvl requirement for it.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I've definitely seen people make mistakes on that fight. What's funnier is that the worst players I run into in there seem to be players rocking full crafted sets that somehow even underperform compared to people below the ilvl requirement for it.

Are you saying gear doesn't equal skill?!

/dramaticfaint