Byakko... HM or EX ?

[JunseiKei]

To be completely honest, I've slowly come to enjoy fun encounters over difficulty. It's usually not difficult for me, but for the others I play with (the community as a whole), it can be. Nothing it more frustrating than trying to explain something as simply as possible and the person not grasping the idea (or they forget it when the mechanic comes up). Also, I rather like the fact that HM and EX were not so different. In my opinion, this makes it not only easier to not mess up normal after only farming EX (how many times have I fallen off in Sophia HM, but do EX flawless), but can help the more casual/time constrained players to quickly get into the EX fight and clear it. Plus both versions of Byakko are fun.

Especially once things are on farm; I'd rather reflect on it and ask myself is this encounter fun? Well, I can at least say that is a yes with Byakko and Susano.

[Aomine1992]

I like it....thordan ex was not fun at all when it first came out lol just a wipe fest and very frustrating so personally for me I also enjoy the fun fights over the extremely difficult ones....also if you think hard byakko is just the same as a certain primal in HW with the expanding circles and the split stack mechanic hint hint lol

[ElazulHP]

Good for you. Meanwhile, I've yet to get into a clear party that actually clears because the average player is still having trouble with this fight... and because I don't have a static PUG's are whom i'm getting matched with. Been to enrage many multiple times now because DPS is dying too often or the tank forget to LB3 or people don't place Gale Force correctly or forget to avoid leg sweep.

[Lord_Umbra]

Only reason its 'not that hard' is because you can cheese through it with tank limit break.If it wasnt for this factor i guarantee that most clear parties would be still seeing enrages.
Would be interesting to see if they made that phase instant wipe you regardless of tank lb.I guarantee most would be on forums crying and saying it was too hard.

So basically just remove tank LB completely, we need more content that can use Tank LB not less, not every encounter needs be designed around DPS using the LB, I think great you can ignore all that extra stuff in phase 2 thanks to a useful LB form tanks something that's very very rare in this game.

[Paladinleeds]

So basically just remove tank LB completely, we need more content that can use Tank LB not less, not every encounter needs be designed around DPS using the LB, I think great you can ignore all that extra stuff in phase 2 thanks to a useful LB form tanks something that's very very rare in this game.

Yep. Because of how situational tank LB is, it helps make it even more special when it's added. That doesn't need removing. If anything, we need fights where the mechanics can be dealt with using tank LB. Perhaps even add them to like a half-enrage type mechanic whereby if you're too slow on DPS, you can tank LB to pull through and open up a window of time to finish it (more time than what using DPS LB would save, significantly moreso). That way speedsters can still bumrush it with the DPS LB, and more casual players can use tank LB to keep the extra window open.

[basketofseals]

I think the overall fight is fine, but I wish the falling bit was harder. I hope this doesn't sound elitist when I say it puts me to sleep with how little there is to do. Is it the exact same as normal mode? You'd have to get hit by quite a few bubbles to actually die.

[Ayer2015]

I think its important to have various levels of difficulty. Ultimate > Savage > EX Primals. We need content for all skill levels.

[Vhailor]

You bring up Titan EX - may I ask you about Shinryu, bot EX and NM? Because thats the more recent primal here and you know what? People complained that that one was to difficult - and certainly not killed by a PUG-group within 40 minutes. So... have you killed that one as easly?

Shinryu (NM anyway) is an inappropriate comparison. The complaints were largely centered around two factors that don't apply to Byakko: (a) it was a storyline fight; (b) it was a ridiculously large jump in difficulty relative to previous dungeons. Fix either of those, you have fewer justified complaints; fix both of them, you have no justified complaints.

I don't have a horse in this race, as I haven't tried Byakko nor do I plan to anytime soon. Just felt compelled to point out that you weren't comparing apples to apples.

[Yeol]

Killed it with static.
Needed 4 more books.
Jumped into PF for 5 hours and only managed to get 1 book.

People are forcing the Tank LB3 start, wiping the party if two people died.
While I have done all, the fight can be cleared with 3 people dead. You have to simply work around mistakes and change starts if it is not working. But seems people either do it THIS way or wipe. They are not flexible.

[Fynlar]

Only reason its 'not that hard' is because you can cheese through it with tank limit break.

I'm 100% sure the strategy was intentional. It would have been trivial for them to make it such that the tiger would just flat out wipe you, regardless of tank LB, if you ignored it. They do this sort of thing in countless other fights in the game. They actively chose not to here.