I don't know what to make of this.

[Singularity]

Me to him/her: you're the first I've seen in YEARS with that mentality
>> you're basically saying you know you could do better, but don't want to

The use of "better" in this context is in fact subjective, based on having different priorities. When you say "you could do better", you apparently mean "you could clear this faster", because your priority is to clear as fast (or as smoothly) as possible. For them however, the priority is not to clear as fast as possible, but to enjoy the content more, so doing "better" for them would be not to have the mechanics spoiled in advance as the thrill of discovery is evidently important to that enjoyment.

I echo the sentiment of others here however that the way in which it was handled was not acceptable. If I had been in their place, I would have politely declined an explanation and that would have been the end of it.

[Sida]

But when you use the DF your accepting the possibility that all 7 of the other people have already cleared the fight so your not going a proper blind experience anyways which is why the PF is better so everyone can learn the fight together

That is the point, acceptance but also expectations. While you say you should accept the possibility others have cleared it already, you should also accept the possibility that no one else has. And that's where the expectations come into play. The most common argument in this thread is not the refusal of help, but the timing of it. If the content is weeks if not months old, then someone wanting to go in blind can be seen as hindrance since it can be expected that most have cleared it already. However right now, on patch week, on New content, it's expected that most are running it for first time, and thus they should be given the change to experience it fresh. Nothing is worse than to come into patch after workday (that is, as early as possible) just to have some people being all experts already. it's great you can sit home all day but remember not everyone is so privileged. (And yes, I'm aware the last sentence is slightly accusatory and it's not directed to you but to general attitude I have faced being one who gets into game only after work)

[Dzian]

In a week everyone will expect everyone else to have every mechanic down by heart- if you offer advice it'll likely be received a whole lot better then, and even now you are still free to offer help...just don't be crushed if people turn you down. Its not a "the community doesn't care about helping each other" deal as much as "the community wants to enjoy that new car smell while its here" one.

I still haven't entered sigmascape it'll probably be tomorrow before I do. but if people start spouting out spoilers as soon as I enter i'll just hide party chat. for pretty much the reason above. it's brand new content. and as was said in earlier in the thread you shouldn't have to mess about with party finders to do a blind run in the first week of the patch. especially with it being story level content.

we're not even a week into the patch and i'd also assume many of the more casual people probably wont try sigma till the weekend.

[KaivaC]

tbh most people don't want fights explained the day after patch day. Its new. Part of the fun on playing on/close to patch day is figuring things out.

Dunno what others have said, but this represents my thoughts as well during patch day...actually, patch week, to be honest. Unless I openly ask for advice, or somebody else does, I honestly don't want mechanics explained because that sort of ruins the fun during patch week. This is especially true if this was in the DF. Let people learn on their own and don't get offended when you have to eat a few wipes because a huge chunk of players may want to learn it on their own. Now if we're talking a week or two later after the patch drops...that is another story entirely. The fights themselves are trivial enough once you learn the mechanics, so just leave unsolicited advice alone til week 2.

Had about 6 wipes in v7.0, with one player who had a clear. Most fun we've had in PUG content since 4.1 raids, because this was fresh content and the salt was low.

[RiyahArp]

Dunno what others have said, but this represents my thoughts as well during patch day...actually, patch week, to be honest.

I'll do it blind one pull, then ask. DPS can generally stay on the floor, and even tanks, but healers suffer the most after each death I feel. Especially as SCH, you lose your fairy an possibly your stacks. A 50% less potency heal due to double raise sickness hurts the group a lot more than what tanks or dps lose in casual content.

In hard stuff, screw it. I watch a video and that's that.

[Ashgarth]

[insert long OP here]

Is it really so hard to concieve the fact that some people like to experience a really cool fight for the first time without someone telling them exactly what is going to happen?

To me your post only sounds like "I've already done this before and I want to do it quickly"

[KaivaC]

I'll do it blind one pull, then ask. DPS can generally stay on the floor, and even tanks, but healers suffer the most after each death I feel. Especially as SCH, you lose your fairy an possibly your stacks. A 50% less potency heal due to double raise sickness hurts the group a lot more than what tanks or dps lose in casual content.

In hard stuff, screw it. I watch a video and that's that.

In Savage, yeah, I'll personally look up a guide if there is a video available. I can't raid right now because I'm trying to play in moderation...plus I need to seriously gear up...my best is at 334...I'm not comfortable with that ilvl lol

[Rockette]

@Rockette

I don't get upset at people not doing what I want. I get upset at people needlessly bellitling and name-calling me, after I tried to help them.
And I didn't mean the 2004 thing as a badge. I said time and time again that I don't think myself better than anyone. I used 2004 as a time measure for how long it took to come face to face with someone with that attitude towards receiving help. I wouldn't have written this post if the person in question would've just said "I appreciate it, but no thanks".

The 2004 badge bit is where you belittled them for not accepting your help.

[Lilseph]

The 2004 badge bit is where you belittled them for not accepting your help.

I read the OP again and I don't think they are bragging about the "2004 badge". They just meant it as a measurement, as in "it's been 14 of gaming and I've never met someone like that". It's a pretty common form of comparisson i.e. "In my years, I've never seen something like that". We can argue how unlucky the OP is, as I have met people like that more often than not.

However, I do agree with the idea of going in blind, it's exciting. New content, fun experience, etc. As for the unsolicited advice, it's simple: Don't take it to the extreme opposite and stop giving advice at all. Just give it if they ask for it or, if you're in a helpful mood, ask: "Guys, do you need help/advice with mechanics/job actions?". You save yourself a lot of time and energy by doing so. Hopefully this is a lesson for you, OP.

[Xlantaa]

This is more like a new thing. Spoiler things has become insufferable to the point that you cannot practically say anything because can be spoiler. "This guy have black hair" "OMG THAT'S SPOILER". I even know people who consider that telling "This item is Ilv 340" is considered as spoiler. Or telling them that X item is in X place.

The spoiler stupidity is become so annoying to the point no one let you talk about anything.

Fun fact, I've seen the opposite too. "OMG PLS WATCH A GUIDEEEEEE" which is also insufferable.

The best possible thing is shut up and only explain if someone ask for it.