Submersible Information Thread

[Norri_Matora]

I'm currently running two Kamacite farming Haulers, a 3-Node Boat, and a Speedboat build for my Submarines:

Hauler Type:

Currently running the CWWC build. It's taking about 3 days and 10 hours (which I'm rounding to 4 days for checkup) to make the journey between Flickering Dip to the Rimilala Shelf. Assuming I can procure my own Kamacite and don't intend to sell it (because they're still highly valued at the time of writing), I may upgrade these to CSySySy type hulls. The same journey will take a slightly longer time of 3 days and 19.3 hours (closer to my 4 day checkup) and should sport a large increase to Surveillance, Retrieval, and even Favor. With 95 range, it should hit 2 of the high-end nodes comfortably.

Route A: Flickering Dip (Y) > The Rimilala Shelf (V) (3 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes)
Route B: Sunken Vault (AD) > Stone Temple (AC) (4 days, 43 minutes)

3-Node Boat:

I'm still unsure if this ship is going to pan out as worthwhile, but I had the parts on hand to try it out. CWCC sports a large 175 Surveillance, a meager 40 Retrieval, and a high enough range to hit Deep-Sea Site 7, Rimilala Shelf, and Flickering Dip in a single run lasting 4 days and 2 hours (just over my 4 day checkup). Considering the drawbacks of attempting to gain Range by losing Retrieval, I may opt to turn this boat into another Hauler or Speedboat instead. A possible sidegrade I might consider depending on the Abroader Otter requirements would be a CUSyC build in order to increase the voyage speed by to 2 days and 21.6 hours (3 days checkup) to hit the nodes more often. If that Odder ends up being in the ballpark of a ridiculously high Surveillance, another build idea would be CWUSy that keeps 170 Surveillance and a small increase to 50 Retrieval at a loss of a Speed to 5 days, 7 minutes (5 days checkup).

Route A: Deep-Sea Site 7 (W) > The Rimilala Shelf (V) > Flickering Dip (Y)
Route B: Deep-Sea Site 7 (W) > Sunken Vault (AD) > Stone Temple (AC)

Speedboat:

I'm working on this design with the idea of hitting Deep-Sea Site 7 and a single end-game node in mind. My current build is a CUUU, but I feel it's hardly worth the mention due to the severe lack in the required Surveillance or Retrieval we're starting to figure we'll need (though it does sport a fast 100 Speed and 95 Range, working great for unlocking nodes on the cheap). Therefore, let me propose a different solution.

With the hopeful assumption that the Odder drops with a Surveillance rating equal to or less than 150, the CCSyC would be able to make a run from Deep-Sea Site 7 and a single end-game node (Stone Temple or Sunken Vault) in 2 days and 4 hours (just above a 2 day checkup). It also sports a decent 65 Retrieval and a large 140 Favor, possibly contributing a bit to the "luck" factor as well.

Route A: Deep-Sea Site 7 (W) > Sunken Vault (AD) (2 days, 2 hours, 24 minutes)
Route B: Deep-Sea Site 7 (W) > Stone Temple (AC) (2 days, 4 hours)
Route C: Sunken Vault (AD) > Stone Temple (AC) (2 days, 6 hours, 21 minutes)

[Norri_Matora]

1x Frosted Glass found in Deep-Sea Site 7 (W). Shiptype CUUU.



Unrecorded items bolded for clarity.

[PrincessAli]

Could someone explain to me what this means? On Deep Sea Site 7 it reads out, as you can see, that the current submersible condition prevents further exploration. What does that even mean? The submarine has 155 Surveillance and 150 favour ... Other stats as I understood it wouldn't affect my chances of finding items? I specifically thought I'd built a submersible intended for finding rare items?

You are just not getting good RNG
I have 21 submarines and I can say for sure the drop rate for the Otter minion is much lower than other rare items

Remember good stats give you better RNG, but it's still rng at the end

[T_Moon]

Sunken Temple - 1x HQ Deep-Red Cluster, 1x Deep-Green Cluster




Sunken Temple - 34x Fire Crystals, 31x Earth Crystals



Over all pretty poor results, both missions Rating C
Both Submarines are CCSC builds.

[Norri_Matora]

Savage Aim V found in Deep-Sea Site 7 (W). Shiptype CWCC.



3x Quicktongue Materia V found in the Flickering Dip (Y). Shiptype CWCC.



Unrecorded items bolded for clarity.

[Norri_Matora]

From what I've seen and understood so far, Surveillance has a minimum requirement to put items on the loot table. Retrieval affects how many attempts you have on a zone and possibly the amount of materials you acquire. Favor affects the weather conditions and the quality of the items picked up.

I could be wrong on these, but that's what it seems like to me.

[T_Moon]

Based on that assumption would it be worth test a CSCS build for 180 Sur, with 80 gathering?
Its only 5 slower then the CWCC build that i see people using. I avoided due to the low speed, but if Gathering could add addtional items to the loot table, then RNG gets checked that many more times.

[MeridaQ]

I have tried a new build, basically hitting up all the good spots at once. xD Coel-Coel-Syl-Syl. Hopefully that will get me something rare. http://prntscr.com/mlan9n It takes forever though! xD

[StouterTaru]

Based on that assumption would it be worth test a CSCS build for 180 Sur, with 80 gathering?
Its only 5 slower then the CWCC build that i see people using. I avoided due to the low speed, but if Gathering could add addtional items to the loot table, then RNG gets checked that many more times.

110 Retrieval rates as poor for Ramiliea Shelf, so 80 won't be enough to make any difference in the 4.5 zones.

[T_Moon]

110 Retrieval rates as poor for Ramiliea Shelf, so 80 won't be enough to make any difference in the 4.5 zones.

I assume you thought I meant Coel,Shark,Coel,Shark. Do we have an agreed upon abbreviation for shark vs Syldra?

I was thinking about Coelacanth, Syldra, Colacanth, Syldra