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  1. #171
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    This thread is getting a bit out of hand. It's actually kind of weird seeing this sort of discussion get so heated outside the Healer Role subforum, but that's besides the point... I might repeat myself a but but I want to get some points across.

    The main arguments I've been seeing in favour of more healing intensive content are "I want to heal more/I don't want to dps" or "other games do it". Okay... So let me address these points at the same time with a simple question: why should SE change FFXIV to fit what you want?

    FFXIV Is intended to be casual friendly, and it's built a specific way. Comparing it to other games is fine, but wanting the game to be more like those games is asking for an entirely different game than FFXIV. The game has been out for a while now and still people are wanting the devs to completely change the game? It would turn FFXIV into a different game with the same name. I know a lot of people would hate if the way they played the game they like changed drastically all of a sudden. It would be a terrible move to change how healing works because there are people who play healer and like it how it is... you could complain "but thats not fair. I don't like how it works so why should I have to suffer?" Why? Because that's how the game is designed. Why are you even playing a healer if you dislike it so much that you want how it plays to be changed?

    FFXIV has very low healing requirements, which allows for healers to DPS more often than in other games. That's how the game is designed, and that's how it should stay because that's how it was designed. Do you understand what I'm saying? Changing something that doesn't need to be changed should be a very low priority.

    Those of us who are pro-healer dps understand the game is designed the way it is and that it's a ridiculous notion that it would change just because we want it to. We see the game for what it is and work with it. We take what we have and run with it, trying to be as useful and efficient as possible. Standing around between heals is the least engaging things you can do in this game. Spamming healing is wasteful and not useful.

    If you want to play a game that requires more healing then go find a game that requires you to do more healing. Stop trying to make a game into a different game. You're just being selfish if you think the game should change to fit your own personal desires
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    Last edited by VanilleFang; 02-04-2018 at 07:03 AM.

  2. #172
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    Cavistus's Avatar
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    only here for the comments heyoooo
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  3. #173
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    18 pages full of trolls trolling trolls. It's great.
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  4. #174
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    oh wait. game design say you gotta DPS cause else you aren't occupied.
    i mean seriously, could developers make at least certain fight so extremely healer intensive that none of the healers, except maybe few fflog wankers, get this fight done with a single offensive spell casted
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    Last edited by SilentVoice; 02-04-2018 at 08:16 AM.
    There's nothing blinder than the eyes that don't want to see

  5. #175
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    i mean like,
    we begin our show with tank buster unltimate, which has to be shared by both tanks and mitigated, and even then boss spams quick autoattacks\(insert_skill_name)series of mid dmg attacks, and so on and so forth. you get teh idea
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  6. #176
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentVoice View Post
    except maybe few fflog wankers
    "Elitists are toxic! Respect how other people choose to play! Don't call other people lazy/stupid/other disparaging names or words! Toxic elitist toxic blah blah blah!"

    Yeah, sure.
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  7. #177
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    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    "Elitists are toxic! Respect how other people choose to play! Don't call other people lazy/stupid/other disparaging names or words! Toxic elitist toxic blah blah blah!"

    Yeah, sure.
    Ahhhh, shall we start over with me explaining to you how i understand people not being prepared for such game design and how i myself would love to spend 80% uptime in healing, rather than dps?
    i mean, until you understand that my issue isn't with people telling healers to DPS, but with developers? =)
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  8. #178
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilentVoice View Post
    Ahhhh, shall we start over with me explaining to you how i understand people not being prepared for such game design and how i myself would love to spend 80% uptime in healing, rather than dps?
    i mean, until you understand that my issue isn't with people telling healers to DPS, but with developers? =)
    Oh I've got no problem with your personal desires for what healing should be. I'm personally right there with Vanille I don't think healing should be changed to fit these desires but go right on ahead having them.

    My issue is that people can call top-tier players "fflogs wankers" but if I said "lazy casuals" seriously I would be the subject of a witch-hunt.
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  9. #179
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    but good healer dont only heal.. they dps also.
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    How about you just uninstall.
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