O5N is unfair for pure healer

[XiXiQ]

I don't really understand the OP. If you're a healer and you're only healing, how would that make the fight "impossible"? I can see how early on a few healers won't DPS while they learn just to be safe, go through it a few times before you see where the big damage is, and parts where dps is safer - at this early stage I don't think people should be pushing them to all-out dps either, everyone staying on their feet is optimal in brand new content, and in turn others learning are going to be taking more damage.

and yes, I miss the old notion of heals damaging undead, raise insta-killing them, and generally having fun with reflect

[loreleidiangelo]

I don't really understand the OP. If you're a healer and you're only healing, how would that make the fight "impossible"?

In O5 normal, there's a segment where the party has to phase to their own solo part of the fight and kill a ghost mob to avoid being one-shot. "Heals-only" can't get past this part, though I'm pretty sure I have never actually encountered this in all my time running this fight so far (even healers who don't really like DPSing magically churn out some filler spells to get past it). I'm pretty sure this is a troll post slyly mocking people like myself who don't like FFXIV's "mash oGCDs and DPS between" heal design (though it's worth pointing out that I raid Savage, do DPS, and you can check my FFLogs etc if you wanna see that I don't hold back my parties. I just don't like it).

It's actually kind of funny because on the Savage version of this fight, healers barely attack the passenger car mob at all. It puts an immunity debuff on you that is actually cleansable, unlike pretty much every other raid content debuff in this game, and you attrition war it while it slowly damages itself. I was so used to everything in this game involving DPS checking your face off, so this was a pleasant surprise. Not difficult by any means (I just put regen on myself and used Essential Dignity and still DPS'd it lol), but a nice change of pace.

[Vstarstruck]

In O5 normal, there's a segment where the party has to phase to their own solo part of the fight and kill a ghost mob to avoid being one-shot. "Heals-only" can't get past this part, though I'm pretty sure I have never actually encountered this in all my time running this fight so far (even healers who don't really like DPSing magically churn out some filler spells to get past it). I'm pretty sure thisis a troll post slyly mocking people like myself who don't like FFXIV's "mash oGCDs and DPS between" heal design (though it's worth pointing out that I raid Savage, do DPS, and you can check my FFLogs etc if you wanna see that I don't hold back my parties. I just don't like it).

It's actually kind of funny because on the Savage version of this fight, healers barely attack the passenger car mob at all. It puts an immunity debuff on you that is actually cleansable, unlike pretty much every other raid content debuff in this game, and you attrition war it while it slowly damages itself. I was so used to everything in this game involving DPS checking your face off, so this was a pleasant surprise. Not difficult by any means (I just put regen on myself and used Essential Dignity and still DPS'd it lol), but a nice change of pace.

How does pressing a different button make you like or dislike something?

[loreleidiangelo]

How does pressing a different button make you like or dislike something?

I mean, why differentiate between healing/tanking/DPSing at all, then? They're just button presses if you really want to be that reductionist about it.

[Vstarstruck]

I mean, why differentiate between healing/tanking/DPSing at all, then? They're just button presses if you really want to be that reductionist about it.

that doesn't answer the question. I do not understand "though it's worth pointing out that I raid Savage, do DPS, and you can check my FFLogs etc if you wanna see that I don't hold back my parties. I just don't like it"

1. why are you doing something you do not like? Why play if you are not having fun?
2. How is hitting a button different to do damage or heal? what is there not to like?

[loreleidiangelo]

that doesn't answer the question. I do not understand "though it's worth pointing out that I raid Savage, do DPS, and you can check my FFLogs etc if you wanna see that I don't hold back my parties. I just don't like it"

1. why are you doing something you do not like? Why play if you are not having fun?
2. How is hitting a button different to do damage or heal? what is there not to like?

1.) I like doing the raid content with my friends - I took a break for a bit because Gordias Savage hurt my butt, and when I came back the only available slot they had for raid was healer. Disliking XIV's healer design < the fun I have with my friends. "Quitting" isn't the only option, you know. It's the same reason people dislike how formulaic patch releases are, but still keep playing while voicing their displeasure. I don't hate it enough to quit, but that doesn't mean I have to talk about how awesome it is that I'm a DoT-n-cooldown bot.

2.) I told you, how is hitting a button to tank, or DPS, or heal any different than hitting any other button? They're all buttons in the end. Why bother having classes at all? Maybe it's because some people like filling certain roles within a party, and feel like the role they prefer has too much emphasis on doing another role they might not prefer? There's not any point in explaining if you think the issue just boils down to viewing every class as a "button presser" at the heart of it. Why play BRD vs MCH, they both just push buttons? Why play WAR vs DRG, they both are melee and just push buttons?

[Vstarstruck]

2.) I told you, how is hitting a button to tank, or DPS, or heal any different than hitting any other button? They're all buttons in the end. Why bother having classes at all? Maybe it's because some people like filling certain roles within a party, and feel like the role they prefer has too much emphasis on doing another role they might not prefer? There's not any point in explaining if you think the issue just boils down to viewing every class as a "button presser" at the heart of it. Why play BRD vs MCH, they both just push buttons? Why play WAR vs DRG, they both are melee and just push buttons?

You can repeat it all you like, but asking a question to a question does not answer things. I do not see the difference of "being a pure healer" and healing with something else to do. In this game if you try to be a "pure healer" there is simply nothing to do, so your statement of "how is hitting a button to tank, or DPS, or heal any different than hitting any other button? They're all buttons in the end. Why bother having classes at all?" is not fitting to what I asked.

Also I think the answer to your question of " BRD vs MCH, they both just push buttons? Why play WAR vs DRG" is simply what flows better to people in regards of rotations. MCH for example is heavily reliant on burst window and here is plenty that do not like it.

[loreleidiangelo]

You can repeat it all you like, but asking a question to a question does not answer things. I do not see the difference of "being a pure healer" and healing with something else to do. In this game if you try to be a "pure healer" there is simply nothing to do, so your statement of "how is hitting a button to tank, or DPS, or heal any different than hitting any other button? They're all buttons in the end. Why bother having classes at all?" is not fitting to what I asked

I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse at this point, sorry. If you don't understand why someone playing healer might not want a huge emphasis to be on DPS abilities for endgame content because "they're just buttons" then there's probably no sensical way to explain it to you. Suffice it to say, I'd like it if healing were more challenging, but respect that it would require a retooling so large that it's not worth the developer's time to do outside of maaaaaybe an expansion (and given the screaming we had with no new tanks or healers with Stormblood to better work on their balance I don't think the community would sit out another one in favor of such a controversial change).

Honestly though, I don't think it's really an issue at this point. Good players play around optimizing and bad ones sit around 10 CPM throwing out the odd Cure or Aspected Helios in Duty Finder. The OP is a joke.

[XiXiQ]

In O5 normal, there's a segment where the party has to phase to their own solo part of the fight and kill a ghost mob to avoid being one-shot. "Heals-only" can't get past this part

Ah, of course. The only thing killing said healer is stuborness

I am also curious to know how these "pure" healers solo anything at all. Do they just die if something happens to attack them in open world rather than (omg) using dps skills?

[Vstarstruck]

I feel like you're being deliberately obtuse at this point, sorry. If you don't understand whysomeone playing healer might not want a huge emphasis to be on DPS abilities for endgame content because "they're just buttons" then there's probably no sensical way to explain it to you. Suffice it to say, I'd like it if healing were more challenging, but respect that it would require a retooling so large that it's not worth the developer's time to do outside of maaaaaybe an expansion (and given the screaming we had with no new tanks or healers with Stormblood to better work on their balance I don't think the community would sit out another one in favor of such a controversial change).

Honestly though, I don't think it's really an issue at this point. Good players play around optimizing and bad ones sit around 10 CPM throwing out the odd Cure or Aspected Helios in Duty Finder. The OP is a joke.

Same can be said for you then, you are being obtuse for thinking casting stone is different then casting cure. It has the same feel as far as being in a rotation. Do you just want to get away with standing around doing nothing if the dps checks in savage allows it? Saying you do not want to do DPS is just strange to me, thinking it is different when it isnt.