O5N is unfair for pure healer

[VanilleFang]

While I understand your point - and agree with you - I'd say that the community here will not listen a word. To them, healers are a DPS class who heals, more like a RDM with better heals.

lol wat? Who here says healers are a DPS class with heals? Some of us might say "you deal damage until you need to heal" but we never say "you are a DPS who has to heal". Healing is the healer's priority. Damage is secondary.

And no one will listen or even change their behaviour towards any situation that lightly resembles a healer not doing any damage. It is futile to try, since they wrote this rule on the stone and disobey it is a glaring sin that should be punished with death.

We don't change our "behaviour" toward healers not dealing damage because there has never been any explanation on how it would be beneficial. Not dealing damage, when you are able to, is a detriment to your team. You are looking for an entirely different game when you ask for content that would require healers to heal 95% of the time.

And no, you're being hyperbolic. Most healers understand there are situations that healers may not DPS during. Being new and inexperienced for example.

And the most baffling is when they overestimate the damage done by a healer or underestimate how bad can be a DF party. It is more likely they're now DPS who never healed a DF party since the 1st Umbral Era and never were on a bad party or think that people standing on the bad is just a legend.

I've come to the conclusion that any healer who claims they constantly get bad tanks or DPS who die consistently, that they are actually the issue. I've been healing since ARR and have only ever run into ONE tank that I could not keep up, and that was because he refused to use CDs properly, and pulled too much for his ilvl. I run with pugs 99% of the time, and I rarely have issues keeping my team alive.

Don't waste your time trying to discuss with people who just impose their dogma. I tried and right now I'm burned to the point of thinking on quit healing. Don't do it with yourself.

Oh, I should have realized this was a troll post. "Dogma"? lmao. If trying to be proactive, productive, useful, and skillful are imposing a "dogma" than... I don't even know. I have yet to see any real reasoning behind your own person "dogma" and why you feel we should change the entire game to fit your wants.

If you're the sort who uses phrases like "healbot" or "whack-a-mole" to describe your healing experience in other games you'll probably love this one.

In what way does this game promote healbots? o_O And I would hardly call healing in this game "whack-a-mole"... If everyone is doing their job correctly that is.

[Enyalios]

I’m a pure DPS scholar. I don’t cast and kind of cures

[RiyahArp]

Basically this. I hate the design of this game but have pretty much consigned myself to it because the developers have constantly conflicting philosophies

yeah, IDK. You want us to dps, ok, but why do we have to do more than real DPS? I mean, real DPS generally don't have to react as quickly as we do to circumstances nor budget their resources anywhere nearly as much as a healer. Like a DPS is never going to need to stop dpsing to heal someone who just messed up a mechanic, nor do they need to decide whether they should use their damage buff as damage, or as healing. I mean, and with AST you have a third layer in card management and usage which just is groan-worthy. Our DPS actions may be simple, but we have a lot more mental overhead than many DPS in terms of play.

[Taika]

yeah, IDK. You want us to dps, ok, but why do we have to do more than real DPS? I mean, real DPS generally don't have to react as quickly as we do to circumstances nor budget their resources anywhere nearly as much as a healer. Like a DPS is never going to need to stop dpsing to heal someone who just messed up a mechanic, nor do they need to decide whether they should use their damage buff as damage, or as healing. I mean, and with AST you have a third layer in card management and usage which just is groan-worthy. Our DPS actions may be simple, but we have a lot more mental overhead than many DPS in terms of play.

All roles are a bit different in what's required from them, and different players find different roles easy or hard or enjoyable or unpleasant. DDs may have only "one job" (which isn't even strictly true since they're expected to buff, debuff, raise etc. in addition to DPSing), but it takes a lot of effort pushing great DPS by keeping your rotation up, adjusting that rotation for each fight, and maximising your actions per minute while handing the fight mechanics (which also means things like minimising your movement and all other downtime while you're doing them). There's a huge difference in this game between a passable and a great DD player, which in my opinion does not merely show that most DD players are bad and/or lazy, but rather that it really takes some effort maximising your performance as one.

For healers and tanks, their basic priority job is much simpler, and the challenge of those roles comes more from minimising the effort you need to put into handling that part of your job while maximising your usefulness to your group with DPS. If a healer or a tank would just heal or tank, they would be simply using much less abilities and much less often than the DDs. Which is why they are expected to participate in the DPS part too (after first handling the primary part of their role).

[Ametrine]

But, I think this is the grand misunderstanding with FFXIV's take on the holy trinity.

Everyone has to maximize their DPS. Even if you aren't a DPS.

Even the "difficulty" of damage dealers comes down to them simply having more skills to add more DPS, verses our healers having their abilities split to two entire different skill sets. Tanks as well, with the addition of stances.

At this point, it feels more like it's coming down to healers that like to pepper in damage dealing spells for fun, and those that don't. As, frankly, the only reason I never questioned the "green dps" meta was that I enjoyed the play and naturally fell into that long before it was ever explained to me that this is not normal for MMO healers.

[loreleidiangelo]

yeah, IDK. You want us to dps, ok, but why do we have to do more than real DPS? I mean, real DPS generally don't have to react as quickly as we do to circumstances nor budget their resources anywhere nearly as much as a healer. Like a DPS is never going to need to stop dpsing to heal someone who just messed up a mechanic, nor do they need to decide whether they should use their damage buff as damage, or as healing. I mean, and with AST you have a third layer in card management and usage which just is groan-worthy. Our DPS actions may be simple, but we have a lot more mental overhead than many DPS in terms of play.

If doing DPS as a healer was actually hard I probably wouldn't hate it as much. As it stands, our healing kits are overloaded with 0 cost absurdly-powerful short-cooldown oGCDs making mana management and cooldown usage a joke, and our DPS kits consist of 1-2 DoTs, a single-target filler and an AOE filler. They're incredibly banal. Old Cleric Stance offered a layer of what I'd call "artificial difficulty" since DPS windows were already massive swathes of time and absurdly safe, so I'm not sorry they got rid of it, but that still doesn't mean I don't think playing a healer in this game is monstrously unsatisfying and dull. Sorry, my complaints about healer DPS aren't because I feel like we're getting the shaft wrt multi-tasking, it's because healing is so easy even at the Savage level that healers have too much time to stand around and pick their butts that they DPS, and are expected to DPS now to meet arbitrary hard enrage requirements.

[loreleidiangelo]

In what way does this game promote healbots? o_O And I would hardly call healing in this game "whack-a-mole"... If everyone is doing their job correctly that is.

You misunderstood my statement. I said that if you're the sort who refers to healing in other MMOs as "healbotty" or "whackamole" you'll like FFXIV, since those are common disparaging statements I've seen whenever people talk about, say, their healing experience in WoW.

[Emstidor]

While I understand your point - and agree with you - I'd say that the community here will not listen a word. To them, healers are a DPS class who heals, more like a RDM with better heals. And no one will listen or even change their behaviour towards any situation that lightly resembles a healer not doing any damage. It is futile to try, since they wrote this rule on the stone and disobey it is a glaring sin that should be punished with death.

And the most baffling is when they overestimate the damage done by a healer or underestimate how bad can be a DF party. It is more likely they're now DPS who never healed a DF party since the 1st Umbral Era and never were on a bad party or think that people standing on the bad is just a legend.

Don't waste your time trying to discuss with people who just impose their dogma. I tried and right now I'm burned to the point of thinking on quit healing. Don't do it with yourself.

I really hope you quit healing. I really, really hope you go through with it, because you sound like someone I would never want to have in my DF or PF parties.

[Texa]

Me on Scholar encountering "pure" healers in this raid

[Moomba33]

Somewhat tangential to the topic but I do think it would be fun if healers could heal the ghosts for damage like in some old FFs. >.>