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    Tigerlilley's Avatar
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    Tiger Lilia
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    While the Glamour Revision is welcomed - I feel like its missing the mark

    I do realise this is exceptionally early into these proposed changes but I feel like they're missing the point a bit.

    The point is - many players like collecting sets.

    The glamour commodes will allow us to save a few outfits things sure but people go back to farm for glamour to complete sets.

    I feel like they really could have bought old content back to life for new players if they gave us a chance to complete a glamour log book. It could have been fun, had rewards, and absolutely given reason to running 100s of times through 24 man's and raid content.

    Just to be clear its nice to see them addressing limited retainer and inventory space and giving us a "Favourites" type system for glamour. 200 spaces seems incredibly low for 4 years of glamour, however.

    I wish it could have been so much more.

    This game has beautiful art, beautiful and weird fashion and it sucks handing it in / deleting it all every major patch. I dunno, I had hope a glamour log would have been one more fun thing to do in the down time. How is everyone else feeling?
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    Zetsumei Tsunarashi
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    Still doesn't address the issue of multiple jobs having the same glamour either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi View Post
    Still doesn't address the issue of multiple jobs having the same glamour either.
    I was about to go back and edit my post to ask about this - they didn't mention it at all did they.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi View Post
    Still doesn't address the issue of multiple jobs having the same glamour either.
    My current presumption is that the "Ensemble" system works outside the regular glamour system.
    Thus one could apply a regular glamour to your equipment for one Job, and then layer an Ensemble over another that shares equipment with it. That's how I'm assuming it works anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi View Post
    Still doesn't address the issue of multiple jobs having the same glamour either.
    No, but this is fine with me considering that it saves on armory space.
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    SE need brains up in here.

    What's not a welcome change for me regarding the glamour revision is that you can now get prisms from your GC for 200 seals ea. Way to kill a popular market SE!

    Oh, and how about destroying the house glam market too! I mean, a single retainer can now bring back a full housing exterior (a) how is this physically possible, (b) nice job eliminating the primary use for company workshops - ships bring back components for housing glams and the cost to actually make these can be high, which should also raise the value of said housing glams, not reduce costs so a L is 300k VS 15mil.
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    I don't really understand what is they're doing and why they felt it was better than the glamour log that pretty much everyone is begging for.
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    I don't really understand what is they're doing and why they felt it was better than the glamour log that pretty much everyone is begging for.
    Exactly. Glamour log: open glamour window and instead of seeing what you have in your bags you see a list of all gear items you've ever owned. No new UI or system needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Exactly. Glamour log: open glamour window and instead of seeing what you have in your bags you see a list of all gear items you've ever owned. No new UI or system needed.
    You don't understand the limitation of resources then. The same reason why the new 70 inventory choco bag can't do the things you can do with a regular inventory. Resource management. They were able to add 70 slots by disabling access to it in instances, being unable to craft, deliver, sell, etc with said items. That means instead of potentially adding 25 slots that may not of have restrictions they were able to add more with restrictions.

    In that same respect, 200 pieces of information isn't easy to keep an eye on, so they have to find shorthands to allow access to said information. One way is using non-combatant locations to switch from, this means there is less data being accessed in said location so they were able to do 200 items.

    When you are in an inn, it's just you by yourself, the game doesn't need to access any other data like using abilities, crafting, delivering items etc. Since the game doesn't need to allocate that data they can use said data to store the commode of gear you want to use.

    Similar when switching to an Ensemble, you have 10 options, because this is just transferring the visual design of your character they were able to branch out areas in which you can access this being towns, residential, inn and the chapel.

    The reason why these concepts are not accessible in instances is because they want to reduce the amount of data needed to enter an instance.

    In case you didn't know, when you enter an instance the game is literally saving your character and transferring it to the instance servers, think of it like teleportation in Star Trek but instead of destroying the origin body it just leaves it there as a placeholder.

    So you basically have Character Data A and B, A is your server data and B is your instance data, upon completing the instance, data B replaces data A with anything that might of changed.

    What they wanted to do is reduce the amount of data they need to send to the instance, aka no 70 inv, no commode and no access to Ensemble, that saves them a lot of data and allows them to introduce this system into the game.

    And honestly, 200 slots is more than enough to glamour with, you just have to be smart with what you choose. Pick gear that you think is hard to regain and gear that you like. Don't put lv 18 gear into the commode unless you really want to use it but also keep in mind that if you need to discard to make space, start with the pieces of gear that are easiest to obtain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Airget View Post
    You don't understand the limitation of resources then. The same reason why the new 70 inventory choco bag can't do the things you can do with a regular inventory. Resource management. They were able to add 70 slots by disabling access to it in instances, being unable to craft, deliver, sell, etc with said items. That means instead of potentially adding 25 slots that may not of have restrictions they were able to add more with restrictions. - other words-
    If they had made an instanced wardrobe system to allow you to access your glamour log that would have worked. Sure, its a clunky fix and you can't take it around with you but it is what everyone wanted, no matter the hoops we'd have to jump.

    OR, I was thinking something like a catalogue. You put your set or piece in the catalogue, its gone from you but unlocks off the log. Then you can order it in. Wouldn't that save space everywhere?

    As for the word commode, I thought it was a JP to ENG typo, I've never heard it before (I'm not from the US). Google is showing me pics of old toilets.
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    Last edited by Tigerlilley; 12-16-2017 at 12:08 AM.

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