Thema: Revelations from Patch 4.2

Zitat von ObsidianFire

I saw it less as Alphinaud being bashed and more it being that he (and Alisae) are practically Sharlean nobles (their dad is a well-known Speaker in the Forum) and money problems aren't exactly something they're used to worrying about. Tutaru, on the other hand, has had to worry about that kind of stuff for a very long time (comes from a family of impoverished Ul'dah merchants).

Then as a lesson they could have made him pay it. He even said that he wanted to do that. I am just annoyed that instead of getting the money from him they are like "well let the WoL handle it". Yes we would have gone there anywhere but the reasons are a bit..annoying..

@Rosenoire:

I agree. Yugiri does not want the WoL to pay for it because it would be against her code..and seconds later its fine if the scions do so? And instead of her asking them how she can repay them she just accepts it..Hien is a king, surely he would have some treasures to at least pay some of that back. Especially since the scions helped in regaining his country and Alphy even helped with the contract..

Then on top of that Alphinaud gets refused when he wants to pay it back..and the WoL is send there to do that..we would have surely gone there even without that story point and who knows if the scions even get something out of that? There were no treasures after the dungeon and it has turned into another country saving event again..so maybe they wont even have a good enough payment at the end? I mean they are animals..x)

Zitat von Alleo

Then as a lesson they could have made him pay it. He even said that he wanted to do that. I am just annoyed that instead of getting the money from him they are like "well let the WoL handle it". Yes we would have gone there anywhere but the reasons are a bit..annoying..

Most annoying thing about this is, they don't let us PAY for it, but they require you to do the work to cover the cost. Paying directly wouldn't have been easier? I expect the WoL is quite wealthy. And again we get treated as errand boy/girl, or the brainless muscle at disposal.

#toofewcharswithspoilertag

Zitat von Theodric

I hope Zenos kills Asahi, then kills himself...again.

I am so done with these one dimensional, cackling villains that have no sympathetic qualities.

#NotMyGarlemald

I do believe Yoshi P stated that Zenos wasn't meant to be a villain that we can sympathize with; we are suppose to despise him for being the monstrous villain that he is.

SE is sending a lot of conflicting messages about Zenos. If they didn't intend him to be sympathetic, well they certainly did not do a good job of that. Even if their plan is to later remove any player sympathy for him, it's a little too late now. I like the character, personally, but he is a more clear-cut villain than any in the game. The same goes for Ilberd and his reckless actions.

Then again, they also said in previous interviews that Ascians have no significant role to play behind the scenes where Garlemald is concerned... and yet Elidibus is pulling strings as far as we can tell. So how much stock can we put in what they say? It also annoys me a bit because Elidibus is meant to differ to Nabriales etc. in his approach, yet here he is following exactly their method. So I'm hoping the story will surprise me a little.

Zitat von Theodric

Yeah - and that would have worked brilliantly had things been consistent, though despite Zenos actively working against Garlemald, denouncing it and terrorising his own allies as often as his enemies it's treated like everybody in Garlemald is fully on board with whatever he chooses to do. It's particularly disappointing given that FFXII is my favourite game in the franchise and as the head of the 12th Legion one of the common expectations was that we would get some of the brilliant shades of grey that made FFXII such an incredible game.

So I question who Zenos is even meant to appeal to at this point, since most of the Garlean role-players and fans I know despise him as his very existence makes Garlemald seem incompetent - hardly helped by the Xaela easily dealing with Magitek despite never encountering it before as well as Estinien dodging countless bullets at once despite the proficiency that Garlean Purebloods are supposed to have with spatial awareness. There's a wealth of interesting elements to Garlemald established in side quests and the lore book, yet without fail they never seem to show up in the actual MSQ's.

Sadly, the "rule of cool" takes priority over their own lore. I hope they avoid going down the route of a certain other game company, in that regard.

Zitat von Mejingjard

I really think Zenos won't allow someone like Asahi to set a trap for us WoL. He really would be angry at someone trying to hurt us with treachery, even more as we are his only true friend in his eyes.
That's the funny part I hope the writers will not screw up, Asahi hates us for killing Zenos, but Zenos loves us for having being able to defeat him. I'm pretty sure the little vengefull Asahi would be broken to know how much Zenos values us

I think there's a lot at play here. Elidibus assumed someone's guise during the final cutscene of the opening of 4.0. I initially thought it might be Zenos following 4.1, but I now have my doubts, because Zenos appears with injuries in the latest cutscene, and the Emperor's reaction wasn't really consistent with it being Zenos, but rather with someone he still cared for. Nonetheless, it's entirely possible that Elidibus is assuming his form as and when it suits him, and relaying orders for Asahi to follow.

The alternative is that Asahi thinks he is doing what best aligns with Zenos's will. The mirror he gifted Yotsuyu does push me to thinking Elidibus might be involved, particularly if it is magical in nature. Assuming what Asahi has said is true - and I think he will be throwing in morsels of truth, so that his story doesn't fall apart upon scrutiny, e.g. the factional rivalry within the Empire, then he might be sabotaging the Emperor's attempt to reach out to Eorzea for the perceived gain of his master, Zenos. I doubt he is in any way aligned to the Emperor's wishes.

Either way, I didn't like how they handled Asahi. It was fine up to the stupid outburst at the end. At least bait us a little longer?

Zenos still has a lot of potential as I didn't like his final battle, and he may well end up being a big threat now that he's back... unless he intends to affirm his supposed connection to the WOL.