This MSQ change makes nobody happy.

[SargentToughie]

Hey guys!

Just had something I wanted to bring up real fast, considering how aflame the forums, and Reddit both are with all this talk of the controversial change that were made to both of the MSQ dungeons. There's a lot of arguing back and forth, bickering and flaming over just who's to blame, and how big of an issue this really is.

The thing is, though, making the cutscenes unskippable actually changes nothing.

Even being forced to sit through the cutscenes, veteran players who just want their rewards will just spam click through the cutscenes, move on, and kill a boss while the new players are still watching. New players get left behind again, veterans zerg through everything, all that changes is the window of time one needs to set aside to actually accomplish this. The only way to prevent that from happening would basically be to set the cutscenes to an autoscroll, which the player input doesn't advance.

Am I the only one wondering what the point of these two dungeons even is, this late into the game? We haven't had another 8 man dungeon in 4 years, and it's clear that the dev team saw that this was a mistake, and will never do it again. We should expect more than some poorly thought out, slapdash bandaid of a non-solution on these dungeons, dungeons who's design was a dead end, and has been nothing but a source of strife and frustration for years.

Why, then, were these dungeons not just made solo instances? Yeah it takes more effort, but the tools for a permanent fix already exist. The dungeon assets and cutscenes can remain mostly the same, just have the Scions operate as the other 'party members' while using the AI that they developed for Squadron dungeons.

The way things are right now, 4.2 made Castrum and Prae a more unpleasant experience for veterans, while doing absolutely nothing to help this 'newcomer experience' that this change was meant to protect. If anything, the elongated queue times make it worse. You'd have better luck tossing up a PF, or letting a level 70 friend solo carry you through it at this point.

[Enla]

Why hasn't it happened? I want the answer to that as well, because in all honesty the only way to fix the broken system these two dungeons have is to convert them into solo instances. There's literally no reason just to have a roulette dedicated to two dungeons that will never be expanded upon; and if the issue of zerging is so prevalent then it's all the /more/ reason to solo gate them. SE has already gone on record saying those dungeons were poorly designed and yet they keep making the cheapest fixes possible without ever addressing their issues head on.

[KaivaC]

Pretty sure they'll just assume that we'll stop complaining about this eventually. Anybody have any idea what's being said on the JPN side of things? Players on those servers seem to have a different mindset than we in the West do, so I'm curious if this change will affect them much.

[Enla]

Pretty sure they'll just assume that we'll stop complaining about this eventually. Anybody have any idea what's being said on the JPN side of things? Players on those servers seem to have a different mindset than we in the West do, so I'm curious if this change will affect them much.

It doesn't seem to be an issue for them from what people have reported. Apparently most are fine with sticking around for the cutscenes in so far as a few people have claimed.

[Aster_E]

I mean, of course the older players will stop complaining about it, because the older players won't be bothering with it. <_<

[Aniond]

If people weren't such jerks during runs then this wouldnt have happend. You see new people announced and yet people don't care and leave them behind.

[KaivaC]

If people weren't such jerks during runs then this wouldnt have happend. You see new people announced and yet people don't care and leave them behind.

Oh best believe there will be rage for the next couple of days for folks who run it and didn't read the patch notes.

[Aniond]

Oh best believe there will be rage for the next couple of days for folks who run it and didn't read the patch notes.

Ill bring the popcorn how about you?

[Niqote]

Those who don't mind say nothing as usual, because the people who do mind will never listen.

[Krotoan]

As I said in the OTHER thread about this exact same thing: It's going to be a delight to see how this shapes out in the next month.

I'm hoping people will realize it affects them zero unless they're new people and it benefits the new people who would have never experienced the actual story.

Also its happening.. the likelyhood of it NOT happening in the next 24 hours is .01%. So sit back, watch it burn, or hey participate and help out. Nobody is making you do it.