Thread: SCH 4.2 Disappointment

Originally Posted by Squintina

I don't want them touching Scholar too much. They could end up giving us the summoner (nerf) or warrior (simplying too much) treatment.

As far as Selene goes, if they could just make Silence Dusk an oGCD for her, so it doesn't matter if she was just casting something, then I'm good. It already has cooldown so it's not like it'll be abused, and having it not be affected by her doing other skills is the only way it'll be consistently useful.

It is surprising that such a glaring flaw was not fixed in this patch since they improved all the other classes’ “silient” abilities so that they apply to their targets faster. All I can guess is that the devs forgot Selene exists. They must have removed “summon 2” from their hotbars a long time ago.

Originally Posted by NobleWinter

Selene is pretty reliable when the healing demand is incredibly low like in the 50/60 roulette when everyone is way over geared. I use her frequently just for fun but I have noticed that her Silence gets used with no actual effect pretty often. Im not sure if it's just late or being resisted but if she is on Sic in a boss fight you will see her try and fail to Silence all kinds of things and it's obvious she isn't busy casting Embrace if the Tank has full health. It's really weird.

Neither fairy stance will cause the fairy to even start casting embrace until a party member is under 80% of their max HP (for some reason), if left to their own intelligence. To improve healing up time, you need to manually trigger the embrace spell when health is high, otherwise the fairy does nothing. Macros can help make this easier to manage. It can make a fairly significant difference if done right if you are into min/maxing.

Just to continue on the point above and run with it a little...

The trick of course is in how you macro her embraces.

Back in ARR I used to macro embrace onto my DPS abilities as was mentioned elsewhere on these boards. It felt like it worked well enough, I was doing what I thought was a good amount of damage and of course my fairy contribution was about as high as it could be. However, later on it became apparent that this was costing me quite significantly in terms of GCDs across an encounter, to the order of around 5-10%. That's a pretty significant amount over a ~10minute encounter.

As such, whilst it's very much considered wise to macro the fairy. Do spend some thought on how you handle that. I personally use my keyboard's G keys coupled with gamepad inputs to spam a key for the relevant party slot without interfering with my other keyboard entry. Another corker I've seen used was the pedals from a usb steering wheel.

Originally Posted by Sebazy

As such, whilst it's very much considered wise to macro the fairy. Do spend some thought on how you handle that. I personally use my keyboard's G keys coupled with gamepad inputs to spam a key for the relevant party slot without interfering with my other keyboard entry. Another corker I've seen used was the pedals from a usb steering wheel.

I agree. Never macro to your actions or your target to the fairy. Just have it be a seperate button and hardcode the target to the tank. Or one for all players if buttons are no limitation. I like the Petal idea; then you waste no hands with that maintence. Also, the steering wheel could be used to switch/cycle targets as needed (example: after tank swap).

re:OP, while dissipation is indeed awkward and personally I only ever use it for panic indoms when things are absolutely spiraling downhill, or for EDs at the end of a fight, SCH's kit is already so good that realistically buffing dissipation is sort of unnecessary. It's a button you press when everything is awful and you need atherflow to burn. It's not great, but then again SCH isn't exactly hurting for good options...

Really all they need for me to start using Selene again is to make Silent Dusk viable. Right now the utility Eos brings is simply too helpful to ignore, especially when dealing with potential pugs and in light of the Fey Wind nerf from the beginning of the patch cycle. Likewise this is the expansion where most status effects are either non-removable or are so sparse that I can't even justify keeping Selene out purely for Fey Caress either. Though in all honesty that probably has more to do with their odd insistence in turning Esuna into a Role Action instead of making it a mandatory part of every healer's kit like before. Sadly this choice in particular on top of the lack of use for a silence spell is what truly doomed Selene for me. I can justify Fey Wind to a degree, but when one skill is utterly useless and the other is barely used it becomes less of a question of 'if' so much as a question of 'why' would I ever bother outside of group content where I know and trust my co-healer.

Beyond that however I feel SCH is probably in the best spot it's ever been, and I'm fairly firmly in the camp that I don't want SE to tinker much more with it. I can practically feel the beginnings of power creep begin to settle in once more and the last thing I want is for my favorite class to be nerfed so hard into the ground that it becomes a chore to play again like in 4.0. Just fix Selene, hell even give her a physical damage reduction debuff in contrast to Eos' magical one, and it'd be perfect.