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  1. #21
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    Hacchan's Avatar
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    Fei Soulstar
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaz View Post
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    How can you know without having cleared savage ?
    Joke aside, the main issue is people caring too much about the meta etc without understanding the outside.
    SAM atm is badly viewed because it bring nothing to a group but it's forgetting that, it only apply to group aiming speed kill (and even that it only goes for a small portion of the raid scene), and not just the common player who just want a clear. But in the long term, SAM do need either a flat buff on certain skill or a change to adapt for this issue.

    For exemple Seigan/Merciful Eyes should be changed to encourage a more risk-reward gameplay as for now, Seigan isn't worth using over Shinten unless at specific times in a fight. To balance it out the kenki should either reduced to 10 to encourage its use or it should do add something either another bleed or debuff to the target while Merciful Eyes should give a buff along with the heal.
    Just a quick idea hastly written.
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  2. #22
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    Obsidia's Avatar
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    Character
    Lexian Shadowfire
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 70
    Thing is, SAM is still in a very comfortable spot DPS wise. What became an issue was the devs caving to the rest of the community and at least initially buffing a lot of the other DPS jobs to closer match SAM. But in doing so, you take away what the very purpose of the job was, particularly in the raid scene. But you're right, Hacchan, about the meta. The majority of the player base takes it as an end all, be all. If you're not playing a meta job, it's trash tier, which isn't true. But some don't want to listen, or certain Youtubers and streamers are not fully aware of their influence within the community of taking their opinions as fact where nothing else matters, so if you disagree you're a stupid noob, since this popular person said this is the meta. And so the elitist mentality feeds itself and fewer people get into raiding because of it. And who can blame them, when its shown so blatantly here and on Reddit on a daily basis. A shame, really. Since I find raids extremely fun!
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  3. #23
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    ThirdChild_ZKI's Avatar
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    Lace Valeria
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 80
    Give me a good raider that plays a non meta job and excels at it, and I'll take them on their worst day over someone just trying to "ride the meta" and play whatever would be the flavor of that raid tier.
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  4. #24
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    Anemone_Valesti's Avatar
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    Hitman Hohenheim
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Pugilist Lv 70
    #Virtualfirstworldproblems
    When every class is capable of clearing everything just peachy, but a class is in a bad place because individuals who are super picky about clearing something faster (And not drastically faster mind you) doesn't want you. Then the very moment this class comes up a little pass the others, the crys from another camp will begin because they're no longer in the " Meta ". Not saying there aren't somethings that cant be improved, but this is like the 17th over-exaggeration meter I broke :/

    God I missed the FFXIV Forums lol
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  5. #25
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    Bernkastelx's Avatar
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    Character
    Clown Conductor
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    Lamia
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    I really hate seeing samurais saying its hard to kenki manage no its not. On top of that hagakure practically lines up most of the time when you get your 3 sens. Also I don't consider very telegraphed moves are u predicting dmg with third eye pls. Using your ogcds inbetween gcds is not hard either stop blowing dps class difficulties out of proportion. On topic all it comes down to is raw dps isn't doing enough dps. Even if your sam/blm never dies in a fight and keeps up 100% possible uptime the numbers don't add up. I personally will take a sam/blm that knows what they are doing anytime.
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  6. #26
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    Zael Magnus
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hacchan View Post
    For exemple Seigan/Merciful Eyes should be changed to encourage a more risk-reward gameplay as for now, Seigan isn't worth using over Shinten unless at specific times in a fight.
    Eh? It's always worth using, Seigan has more potency per Kenki spent. Granted, it's an extremely minimal DPS increase and should feel way more rewarding than it currently does, but it's still there; there's absolutely no reason not to use Third Eye and Seigan for unavoidable damage.
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  7. #27
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    Hacchan's Avatar
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    Fei Soulstar
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    Lich
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    I never said to never use Third Eye, you should always use it to mitigate AoE and share etc regardless of situation.
    For Seigan usage, it's my personal opinion, but the damage it bring being sparse and spotty is not always worth the investment instead of saving for a early refresh for an add phase, mobility, or a Shinten if my kenki is closer to one.
    And like i said at specific time, there's 0 reason to not use it; easy exemple is o1s you'll be able to use Seigan without worry at all because the boss barely move, while for o3s, the boss being more mobile later on or forcing you to dash away, Seigan loose its value in face mobility and being able to stick to the boss as much as possible, you'll still be able to use it but less than possible.
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  8. #28
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    Character
    Lynne Asteria
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    Jenova
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    Now I'm even seeing Byakko farms lock out SAM spots.... yay meta \o/

    SE plz take trick attack and battle litany away. thanks!
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  9. #29
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    Repulse97's Avatar
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    Character
    Buttons Buns
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Altera View Post
    Patch 5.0 - Due to undesired or bloated class system, we will remove some jobs to make room for new ones to take their place. Plz look forward to it
    Oml, I'm dead. Imagine xD
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    Buttons Lala from Ultros!

  10. #30
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    silentwindfr's Avatar
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    Character
    Florence Leduc
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    well we have the same situation that the monk had in the past, for a time it was the top dps, then ranged did cry, leading to them be booster almost at the same point than monk...

    i will ask one question to yoshida and it team, what is the point to bring the samurai to a party since he recquire often more skill for reach similar if not subpar dps? FFLogs show it, on the primal fight out of susanoo, lakshmi, shinryu and byakko, only one fight see the sam as top dps and is not even of a lot.

    here the fflog of byakko, it's explain all fairly well:
    https://www.fflogs.com/statistics/15...s=Any&sample=7
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