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    Valdegarde's Avatar
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    Hildegarde Rosea
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    Lamia
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    Here's why: seen any PLDs in world first for any tier during HW? How about this tier, see any world first for notable content? See what I mean?
    No, because simply being in a world first party isn't the only metric by which a class' performance can be judged. Paladin being behind in Heavensward did not make them unusable, just (vastly) less preferable. Dark Knight being world first in some places doesn't make them on par, and does not disqualify them from being less preferable. There are many factors involved that people love to ignore.

    Off the top of my head, Paladin was in the world first clear for A2s. Clearly this means it was fine for the entirety of Heavensward by your logic. If this statement upsets you, consider how it makes Dark Knights who feel their class is less valuable lately. The first reaction is for people to cite the Ultimate clear and completely invalidate any input the actual majority Dark Knight player base has to say.
    Is it so hard to believe that Dark Knight could use some improvements and that would increase tank balance?

    Continuing that line of flawed argumentation, we have not seen all of the world first teams for the rest of Omega and any other critical fight. With the usage rates as they are (which is also not the end-all metric by which to judge Dark Knight receiving aid), would it be a stretch of the imagination to conclude a Dark Knight composition is less likely?

    I'm genuinely curious, why would it be such a bad thing if Dark Knights could get some of their abilities reworked to continue to refine the class, even if such changes don't dramatically alter performance?
    Edit: I've been told Paladin was world first for at least A1s, A7s and A9s as well.
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    Last edited by Valdegarde; 01-30-2018 at 03:04 PM.

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    Ziero Rehw-bidit
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Valdegarde View Post
    I'm genuinely curious, why would it be such a bad thing if Dark Knights could get some of their abilities reworked to continue to refine the class, even if such changes don't dramatically alter performance?
    I never said it was a bad thing for DRK to recieve buffs. Though, if I was encouraged enough, I suppose I could go on some tangent about an arm's race, but that's not really what I think.

    What I think is such a bad, terrible thing is all the crying and whining on something that isn't a big deal.

    Gordias paladin was INCAPABLE of clearing content at the same ilvl as the other tanks, but that is not the case here. Meanwhile, the hardest content ever created was done with DRK. HW PLD literally held parties back, SB DRK doesn't.

    Can the job use more a teensy bit of a push? Sure, why not? Does it warrant threads littering the front page saying the same thing and signify the class is destined for failure? Not by a long shot.
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    Last edited by Hierro; 01-30-2018 at 03:15 PM.

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    Elrica Edoras
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Hierro View Post
    What I think is such a bad, terrible thing is all the crying and whining on something that isn't a big deal.
    When WAR does it, it's 100% justified and absolutely needed for the health of the game, but when DRK does it it's just whining over something that isnt a big deal.

    Yeeeeep. If WAR is allowed to throw tantrums and riot over shake it off while still being most likely the best tank in the game at the time (marginal with PLD, but still up there), then DRK is 100% valid in their complaints.
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