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    Lufie Newleaf
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaulBan View Post
    How did sustained DPS get raised when the changes to GCDs are a nerf when you count the change to Storm's Eye? And if you have enough brain cells to write a post on the OF you have enough to maybe use one combo every once in a while.
    Putting the brain cell stuff aside, I was kinda going off the official live letter translation "The DPS for both warrior and dark knight will be increased." If it doesn't seem that way in napkin math then maybe they goofed the numbers a bit, but changing potencies is something they can address very quickly. The change to gameplay style is probably permanent but the numbers being output can be hotfixed fast if it's indeed their goal to raise them.
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    Daul Ban
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    Putting the brain cell stuff aside, I was kinda going off the official live letter translation "The DPS for both warrior and dark knight will be increased." If it doesn't seem that way in napkin math then maybe they goofed the numbers a bit, but changing potencies is something they can address very quickly. The change to gameplay style is probably permanent but the numbers being output can be hotfixed fast if it's indeed their goal to raise them.
    According to Bok at least, this amounts to about a 5% DPS decrease. So hopefully they implement some significant changes to the potency buffs because as-is the job is getting a modest nerf.
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    Aana Azel
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaulBan View Post
    According to Bok at least, this amounts to about a 5% DPS decrease. So hopefully they implement some significant changes to the potency buffs because as-is the job is getting a modest nerf.
    Kinda. The 5.1% nerf is just the Storms Eye vs Potency gained alone. The burst is a little side grade-ish. 1 epic burst every 90 sec vs smaller bursts every min as it is now.

    The unmeasured variable is the increase in overall number of FCs. We currently get 180 gauge for free during perfect IRZerk window now. That will change to 5FC/upheaval/onslaught during new IR giving us a free 290 Gauge. We just got 110 gauge which means 2 more FCs we didn't have before and then some. If you count both that 110 gauge and the time shaved off infuriate as more gauge it starts to stack up. We are completely free to use infuriate on CD now which we weren't able to do all the time before.

    *We are going to be spamming a LOT of FCs in our non-burst windows with all this 110 extra gauge.
    *We will get even MORE FC because we will not need to use onslaught to 'manage' gauge and can just freely use FC instead of onslaughts when gauge is capping out.
    *Both of which multiplies further with enhanced infuriate giving us even more FCs.

    So our non-burst rotation got nerfed ~5%and we don't align with party buffs as neatly. However we will also see an pretty big influx of probably 3ish more FCs a 90 sec cycle than before.

    I suspect we will at worst break even, or some negligible amount in either direction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaulBan View Post
    According to Bok at least, this amounts to about a 5% DPS decrease. So hopefully they implement some significant changes to the potency buffs because as-is the job is getting a modest nerf.
    The Bokchoy Analysis is napkin math and does not properly account for the buffs. Not surprisingly if you only account for the nerfs things don't look so good. But this is not surprising. Doing a more detailed analysis, which Anna says they have done, and it comes out as a buff. The early speculation was really unjustified.

    Yes, Fell Cleaves took an output hit, but you also gained 5 direct crit Fell Cleaves, a direct crit Onsluaght, and a direct crit upheaval every 90 seconds, in addition to all the other guage that no longer gets spent during IR windows. All that together should be dps neutral or even a gain.
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    Last edited by Chrono_Rising; 01-27-2018 at 11:11 PM.

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