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    Mahrze's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniDragon View Post
    The one I hate seeing repeated over and over is Scourge as a combo ender. That will not end well for DRK at all because you'd end up clipping it or letting it fall off due to the Blood Gauge making their combos randomly have an additional GCD.
    Considering they are dumbing down dots to 30s, it wouldn't be an issue unless it gets the Higanbana treatment with their favorite DA crutch.


    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniDragon View Post
    Maybe they could make DA TBN not have an MP cost to sort it out. Make it so single target TBN is the 20% HP shield on the DRK and 10% on anyone else, and the raid wide one be lower for balance, like 5%.

    There would be times where the regular one would be best due to the stronger shield (tankbusters) and times where the DA is better (raidwides).
    This would be a loss overall still. And considering the DA crutch, there's little chance to see it not costing the 4.8k MP without adding another button to buff the shield.

    Quote Originally Posted by MahoSenshi View Post
    SB tank balance >>> HW tank balance. DRK lacks some blablablah but not to the level of HW PLDs, when PF savage parties simply excluded PLD.
    Oh its true that its not as bad as HWs PLD treatment. Doesn't take away that the job has gotten menial changes that don't really boost their performance considering their current design mantra.
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    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniDragon View Post
    Maybe they could make DA TBN not have an MP cost to sort it out. Make it so single target TBN is the 20% HP shield on the DRK and 10% on anyone else, and the raid wide one be lower for balance, like 5%.
    If DRK needs raid mitigation, they could just make TBN procs reduce cd on Reprisal by 5 seconds or something, so they can use their old skill more often than other tanks. Increase dmg on Bloodspiller on top of that, so there's actually an incentive to use it outside of MTing. That way you not only give DRK more utility without introducing yet another raid shield, you also give them back their counter-attack identity.

    Both PLD and SCH already have unique synergies with cross role skills so it's not like there's no precedent for that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Satarn View Post
    Both PLD and SCH already have unique synergies with cross role skills so it's not like there's no precedent for that.
    I think those are more of an aftermath due to how the scope of the redesign for the cross-role system went. Kinda makes you wonder the depth of view they have.

    Quote Originally Posted by InfiniDragon View Post
    Nah, it would suck. If you had to Bloodspiller to not cap Blood but Scourge was falling off you have to either cap on Blood or let Scourge fall off until you fired off BS. Or pre-emptively re-up Scourge to avoid it instead of SE.

    Scourge would only work with 4.0 DRK as a stand alone DOT that doesn't break combo like Touch of Death on old MNK. Which is what SE just went through troubles to remove from the game.
    Oh yes I know the nuances would not make it optimal, but then again I am not advocating scourge brought back from the dead either. The same redundancy issues you point out for Scourge are the same that can be pointed towards a raid TBN.

    And on the note of troubles with removing things. SE just might go through the trouble of removing gauges from the game, from a feature, they went to a minimalist approach, then back to how it was before 4.0; likely by 5.0.
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    Last edited by Mahrze; 01-28-2018 at 07:45 AM.
    If you say so.

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    The tanking balance is so outta wack its NOT even funny anymore.
    Name a period when it WAS funny. One way way or another tank balance always was screwed.
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    SB tank balance is like HW tank balance a big mess.DRK is going to get buff on odd patch yet again i hope this time they gonna fix core issue of this Job.Im annoyed my fav tank as gone a to be meme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MahoSenshi View Post
    Name a period when it WAS funny. One way way or another tank balance always was screwed.
    the screams of 3.0 PLD still haunt me to this day
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    SB tank balance >>> HW tank balance. DRK lacks some blablablah but not to the level of HW PLDs, when PF savage parties simply excluded PLD.
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    "Maybe next patch."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mahrze View Post
    Considering they are dumbing down dots to 30s, it wouldn't be an issue unless it gets the Higanbana treatment with their favorite DA crutch.
    Nah, it would suck. If you had to Bloodspiller to not cap Blood but Scourge was falling off you have to either cap on Blood or let Scourge fall off until you fired off BS. Or pre-emptively re-up Scourge to avoid it instead of SE.

    Scourge would only work with 4.0 DRK as a stand alone DOT that doesn't break combo like Touch of Death on old MNK. Which is what SE just went through troubles to remove from the game.
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    I find it cute how they basically gave WAR a rework and gave DRK a pity buff. This really doesn't solve many issues people have with DRK. And it's still going to feel stiff and lack fluidity. Much less still no real identity.
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