Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[cicatriz313]

I remember when they implemented this change and everyone said "don't worry, the MSQ roulette will die and then they'll HAVE to change it back!" and then it didn't die, and newbies can still watch cutscenes. Maybe not all of them want to, but that's what youtube is for.

[Enla]

I remember when they implemented this change and everyone said "don't worry, the MSQ roulette will die and then they'll HAVE to change it back!" and then it didn't die, and newbies can still watch cutscenes. Maybe not all of them want to, but that's what youtube is for.

It did somewhat die actually, they had to increase the rewards to near double at one point after the change was made because for many people it wasn't worth the hassle. Now that the rewards match the time invested for those more interested in the roulette as a leveling tool things have gone back to normal. Those who don't want to sink an hour or more into a roulette still avoid it, while those who want to help newbies or those who don't really care and just pull up Reddit for every cutscene are still trucking along.

Personally I think the roulette is in a good place. I still think it was a clunky intervention but overall the majority of people seem to have found common ground now that the necessary tweaks have been made.

[LalaRu]

...Now that the rewards match the time invested for those more interested in the roulette as a leveling tool things have gone back to normal...

It seems not completely!

We have people that wants the upgraded rewards AND a speedrun together! And them keeping this thread alive, it seems.

[RaeynaGG]

Not too bad. We cringe when we do it. I miss the old way, but I do respect why the change occurred. It's just sad that now a lot of people go AFK, don't do mechanics, or end up baking brownies during the whole thing.

[Nixxe]

I agree... perhaps with the new TRUST system they will make it possible (hopefully).

What are you talking about?

[Derio]

I just ran this the other day. After the initial changes you would just click through. But now they have the timer to where you have to wait and you can just sit back and watch the cutscenes. Now I can go to the bathroom and not have to worry about clicking through the cutscenes.

[Gemina]

It did somewhat die actually, they had to increase the rewards to near double at one point after the change was made because for many people it wasn't worth the hassle. Now that the rewards match the time invested for those more interested in the roulette as a leveling tool things have gone back to normal. Those who don't want to sink an hour or more into a roulette still avoid it, while those who want to help newbies or those who don't really care and just pull up Reddit for every cutscene are still trucking along.

Personally I think the roulette is in a good place. I still think it was a clunky intervention but overall the majority of people seem to have found common ground now that the necessary tweaks have been made.

I've been running this roulette since the initial change, and there was never an issue getting in there. The reward increase made sense because the initial amount that was added was quite honestly negligible. Players who don't want to run this roulette typically state that you can get the same if not more tomes and exp running other content in less time, and they are absolutely correct about that. The conclusion I arrive at is that even with no increase to rewards AND the forced cut scenes, players are still going to run this roulette regardless.

I believe a big reason for this is because it has now become a place to relax and chat with other players for 30-45 minutes - not over an hour. These instances really only take 2 players (a tank and healer) knowing what they are doing and they get completed in 30 and 45 minutes respectively in clockwork fashion for Castrum and Prae. My worst run was about 51 minutes and that involved multiple wipes, and I just happened to be a DPS during that particular run.

I agree that it is in a great place right now. Those who want to run it do, and those who'd rather avoid it don't. It's a great and more relaxing alternative to getting a huge chunk of EXP and tomes.

[seros]

The only reason why you get so much EXP from MSQ roulette is because of the cutscenes other wise the dungeon would be so short you probably would get almost none.

[ElciaDeiLinus]

I'm not sure what the complaint is, when you consider the main three types of players encountering this:

1) Those that find this far too long to sit through for the reward and value efficiency- but people keep saying there are faster, more active ways to gain equal rewards, so the solution for them is to not do this one thing. SE has provided an alternative, which is all they really can do. If the CS were removed, the need for an incentive is gone too, and the rewards would certainly be reduced, which means this group still wouldn't do this.

2) Those that simply do not care for story- true, this is most unfortunate for them, however having to sit through it once is a mild annoyance.

3) New players, those who want to see the story, and those who think the rewards are worth the time- in particular those new to the game. This is the finale to something you've spent dozens of hours working towards, and it's a truly epic finish to that. When you consider that this is the main target of the main story quests (which, really, something called a 'story' quest being focused on story makes perfect sense), I do think that the primary audience to try to please should be those interested in the story. Now, not ALL content is going to be focused that way on CS or the storyline, so far I've seen very little where CS during the dungeon run more than a couple seconds for the entrance and the boss. But, this content is and I think should remain so.

I'm just not sure why, if someone does not want to do this content, and the rewards are more efficiently obtained elsewhere, this even is an issue? Those that want to go fast fast fast have alternatives, those that want story have this- taking this away really only hurts one group while likely reducing the rewards and thus making it not worth it to the other.

[Unholychinchilla]

The only reason why you get so much EXP from MSQ roulette is because of the cutscenes other wise the dungeon would be so short you probably would get almost none.

We already have multiple threads on front page about this. Why did you necro this one?