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    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    But asking them to revert this change immediately without seeing or experiencing it's impact, especially when most of the arguments are boiling down to "it's not enough reward for this" and "what if my alt.. " both pretty selfish when weighed against a new players first experience.
    I countered this very well, and i find it insulting you went off talking to someone ingored points when you keep ignoring good arguments against yours. The reason why it SHOULD be the way it was before 4.2 on the simple fact of choice. You do not treat people like SE did on the 4.2 change. Before 4.2 Everyone had a choice with how they did things with the MSQ, regardless if they knew how to or not (fault of SE for not explaining it)

    Now they are forcing everyone to watch cut-scenes, or trying to (disconnection dodging) when there is new people that do not want to watch them. So with this sudden half bake change and walking over those that do not like to watch cutscenes, I have to question how good their "data" really is. People throw logical statements at you often in this thread, you flat out dodge them. Increasing the rewards solves NOTHING! and does not address any of the concepts I bought up.

    I am personally of the opinion that the unskippable cutscenes bleeding into undersized parties and solo runs is an undesirable change but if given the choice between before and after the patch I'm going to say the people missing out on the most were the people who wanted to watch story BEFORE.
    Go ahead and post your grievance but be prepared for people to call you out if you say things like "the majority of players" or "this is bad for everyone" with no numbers or facts to back it up besides personal anecdotes.
    meet kettle, I am calling you out for the very thing you stated. Just because it helps people that wants to watch CS, it also harms those that do not want to watch it. People had options to make their own parties before, now no one has choices. That is why before 4.2 the game was better off. You do not hear those would be felt stepped on for 5 years because SE was not stepping on them for 5 years. Looked what happened when SE stepped on them for 2 weeks, much more posts and threads already? maybe? then people whining about how they do not know how to communicate to pugs and make their own parties.

    More often then not, a lot of problems was bad communication during the runs and the fact they could be making their own parties. So I am in great disagreement with this change because SE refuses to teach people about the PF. I am in great agreement forcing a play style on the playebase, again before people had options, no matter what you wanted to do, SE did not force you do something. You are not forced to use the DF, the DF does not have to be the solution for all group making (and it never was) So why force this now? because of a half bake and hasty change that was not well thought out. It was not thought out this locks out and steps on people(again even some new players do not want to watch) Why is that? Why is SE walking over those people now?

    When you take away the power to make choices and do things your way (the impact of 4.2 on MSQ roulette) it is a bad change, regardless what side you are on. My augments where never based on reward because making it higher for 4.2's change is not a fix to begin with. It is just a side effect why not many are doing it and defeats the purpose on why you have a roulette.

    Want to know why I am here?:
    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    And lets not forget that SE does have the data and they already plan on increasing the reward for the roulette..why would they do that if they are happy with the amount of vets running it? It might not be as worse as we believed it would be but its seemingly not in the numbers that SE wanted. So that is a clear sign to me that maybe this affected more than they hoped it would.

    @Krotoan: You know people can be annoyed at a chance even if they are not personally part of it..some of us (especially us main DD) know how horrible long queue times are and we might just feel bad for all those newer players that will not like the chance. Also we might just be a bit annoyed at SE for changing it in that way instead of providing a good long term solution...(like solo instance) It was the same with the ARR story line..people complained a lot about the boring MSQ but instead of changing them a bit they just gave us Jump potions..completely forgetting that this game will be running a long time and only a small amount of people would pay that much to jump over a story so that not changing anything will probably lose them newer players..
    I do not care how much they increase the reward, at the end of the day it will never be enough to force something on me, and I am sure I am not the only one with this PoV. I am here for the simple concept you give people a choice how they do things, and a choice did exist before 4.2, no one was forced to do anything, now SE is forcing cs on everyone, that is a bad way of doing things.

    Before 4.2 is better then after 4.2 on the simple fact people had a choice. That is the concept that is important to me.
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    Last edited by Vstarstruck; 02-18-2018 at 03:09 AM.