Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Emerald_Swords]

Imo...Reward me with triple the amount of Gil.

[Krotoan]

go for it and waste the time.

At last something we can agree on. You are a waste of time to respond to.
You say you aren't ignoring me, but you can be assured from now on I'll not be responding to you.

[Jijifli]

At last something we can agree on. You are a waste of time to respond to.
You say you aren't ignoring me, but you can be assured from now on I'll not be responding to you.

Still less of a waste of time than MS roulette.

I mean, unless I dc myself to skip cutscenes. If enough people do that we can leave the newbie behind again.

[Vstarstruck]

But asking them to revert this change immediately without seeing or experiencing it's impact, especially when most of the arguments are boiling down to "it's not enough reward for this" and "what if my alt.. " both pretty selfish when weighed against a new players first experience.

I countered this very well, and i find it insulting you went off talking to someone ingored points when you keep ignoring good arguments against yours. The reason why it SHOULD be the way it was before 4.2 on the simple fact of choice. You do not treat people like SE did on the 4.2 change. Before 4.2 Everyone had a choice with how they did things with the MSQ, regardless if they knew how to or not (fault of SE for not explaining it)

Now they are forcing everyone to watch cut-scenes, or trying to (disconnection dodging) when there is new people that do not want to watch them. So with this sudden half bake change and walking over those that do not like to watch cutscenes, I have to question how good their "data" really is. People throw logical statements at you often in this thread, you flat out dodge them. Increasing the rewards solves NOTHING! and does not address any of the concepts I bought up.

I am personally of the opinion that the unskippable cutscenes bleeding into undersized parties and solo runs is an undesirable change but if given the choice between before and after the patch I'm going to say the people missing out on the most were the people who wanted to watch story BEFORE.

Go ahead and post your grievance but be prepared for people to call you out if you say things like "the majority of players" or "this is bad for everyone" with no numbers or facts to back it up besides personal anecdotes.

meet kettle, I am calling you out for the very thing you stated. Just because it helps people that wants to watch CS, it also harms those that do not want to watch it. People had options to make their own parties before, now no one has choices. That is why before 4.2 the game was better off. You do not hear those would be felt stepped on for 5 years because SE was not stepping on them for 5 years. Looked what happened when SE stepped on them for 2 weeks, much more posts and threads already? maybe? then people whining about how they do not know how to communicate to pugs and make their own parties.

More often then not, a lot of problems was bad communication during the runs and the fact they could be making their own parties. So I am in great disagreement with this change because SE refuses to teach people about the PF. I am in great agreement forcing a play style on the playebase, again before people had options, no matter what you wanted to do, SE did not force you do something. You are not forced to use the DF, the DF does not have to be the solution for all group making (and it never was) So why force this now? because of a half bake and hasty change that was not well thought out. It was not thought out this locks out and steps on people(again even some new players do not want to watch) Why is that? Why is SE walking over those people now?

When you take away the power to make choices and do things your way (the impact of 4.2 on MSQ roulette) it is a bad change, regardless what side you are on. My augments where never based on reward because making it higher for 4.2's change is not a fix to begin with. It is just a side effect why not many are doing it and defeats the purpose on why you have a roulette.

Want to know why I am here?:

And lets not forget that SE does have the data and they already plan on increasing the reward for the roulette..why would they do that if they are happy with the amount of vets running it? It might not be as worse as we believed it would be but its seemingly not in the numbers that SE wanted. So that is a clear sign to me that maybe this affected more than they hoped it would.

@Krotoan: You know people can be annoyed at a chance even if they are not personally part of it..some of us (especially us main DD) know how horrible long queue times are and we might just feel bad for all those newer players that will not like the chance. Also we might just be a bit annoyed at SE for changing it in that way instead of providing a good long term solution...(like solo instance) It was the same with the ARR story line..people complained a lot about the boring MSQ but instead of changing them a bit they just gave us Jump potions..completely forgetting that this game will be running a long time and only a small amount of people would pay that much to jump over a story so that not changing anything will probably lose them newer players..

I do not care how much they increase the reward, at the end of the day it will never be enough to force something on me, and I am sure I am not the only one with this PoV. I am here for the simple concept you give people a choice how they do things, and a choice did exist before 4.2, no one was forced to do anything, now SE is forcing cs on everyone, that is a bad way of doing things.

Before 4.2 is better then after 4.2 on the simple fact people had a choice. That is the concept that is important to me.

[Fresky]

tmw when the newbie says that he has watched all the cutscenes in advance on youtube @_@

[TaranTatsuuchi]

1. A single occurrence is not enough to report someone and no player will have the necessary information. All this'll do is likely make more work for SE.
2. You are once again targeting the innocents who legitimately have bad connections. Whether or not they should be playing a game like this to begin with is a question in and of itself, but it's not like we're discussing Savage here, just ARR MSQ.
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I retort saying, that we have to report this now.
Because the exploit was found and the information has been made publicly available.

The means to exploit it was even linked in this very thread!


The people who have made this exploit public knowledge are to blame for any extra work the GM's have now because of this.
As this exploit blatantly goes against what the devs intend for these dungeons.

When logging sometimes, I repeatedly get disconnected after each few minutes. And it usually happens right after a pull starts (you know, more data sent/received). And it's not my problem. It's the connection between me and server, or servers. I can play perfectly fine usually (as far as the connection goes, anyway) and the game never says that my connection is any worse than "Good", often being "Excellent".

Square would need to invest in both their own infrastructure (frequent DDoS attacks, countless bottlenecks, servers over capacity etc.) as well as location to one that have better connection worldwide (California is in such a place, that its connection to other countries is crippling any game located there for players from other continents). Neither of these will happen, so you can be certain that players will be banned for no fault of their own.

The people exploiting this will be doing it at specific points in the dungeon, when the longest cutscenes are beginning, not on a pull, and not multiple times in rapid sucession.

The pattern will be if a specific player keeps having it happen at these specific points over multiple runs.

And the only way SE will be able to so anything about is if we let them know.
Sure, they may have more reports to go through, but as I said...
That extra workload is the fault of the people spreading this exploit.

The linked instructions even show what points are 'most efficient' for using this exploit.

[Zojha]

I retort saying, that we have to report this now..

Good luck with that.

There are people openly streaming themselves botting in PvP that have yet to be caught. I can't see the GMs bothering with checking DC patterns in Praetorium to convict people for that exploit.

[BillyKaplan]

I retort saying, that we have to report this now.

You reported someone legitimately disconnecting. Not only did you waste the GMs' time, false reports are an offense in their own right. Tread that wire carefully.

[Vstarstruck]

I retort saying, that we have to report this now.
Because the exploit was found and the information has been made publicly available.

The means to exploit it was even linked in this very thread!.

It is not an exploit, it is a loophole (please learn the difference) you can't report people for not wanting to watch CS!!! its SE that should be reported to local governments for taking away basic human rights if you wanna go that route.

You reported someone legitimately disconnecting. Not only did you waste the GMs' time, false reports are an offense in their own right. Tread that wire carefully.

+1

[Skivvy]

It is not an exploit, it is a loophole (please learn the difference) you can't report people for not wanting to watch CS!!! its SE that should be reported to local governments for taking away basic human rights if you wanna go that route.

"In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_exploits

Being able to DC in order to skip undesired CSs is most definitely an exploit.