Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[BillyKaplan]

And SE can look into those reports and check their logs.
If they find evidence of intent to exploit, they can take action.

1. A single occurrence is not enough to report someone and no player will have the necessary information. All this'll do is likely make more work for SE.
2. You are once again targeting the innocents who legitimately have bad connections. Whether or not they should be playing a game like this to begin with is a question in and of itself, but it's not like we're discussing Savage here, just ARR MSQ.

Indeed they are changing the reward, but is that because of people running has been low? I don't know, and I don't think anyone else outside SE does either.

I don't get why people refuse to acknowledge SE's statement about it for what it is - acknowledgement that this change was bad. Queues don't even have to be dead, this is SE saying in no uncertain terms "we are not pleased with the way things are after this change". And mind you this happened two weeks after the change was introduced, so whatever numbers they're seeing, whatever it's low queue numbers or just the extreme backlash in the many threads on the forums, it's so potent that SE themselves want to do something about it. It's like you're given proof that your stance isn't infallible and then you're performing any number of logical gymnastics to pretend it doesn't invalidate your stance when it does. Is it the doom and gloom predicted before where this became a Mentor roulette only queue?
We don't know. So your queue popped after 10 minutes, congratulations, it doesn't mean anything. Every single person here can only speak from their own personal experiences but that is also to say none of us have anything saying it didn't. As all of us agree, SE has the numbers, SE hears the feedback, and they decided, at the very least, that the awards aren't enough. Bury your head in the sand all you want, that's the truth of the matter right now.

[Krotoan]

Yes and no, ....

Now do I bother to respond to you and have you ignore any points I bring up? You've apparently found it worth it to comment on my ONE point you have an opinion on.

Fine, let's be cordial and respond then.
I can make no assumptions about the separation of story and level pots. I said "They seemed". That was the marketing they employed. This is exactly what my friends did in fact. They paid for the pots because they wanted to play along side me immediately and without the pot I would have had to wait the week or more it would have taken them to catch up alone since I mainly get to play on weekends and couldn't help them. Personally I think the separation of pots may be for maximization of profit and it also allowed for more leveling pots to be sold later once the restriction was lifted. I don't think the decision to separate them had anything to do with this last patch and vice versa. Pots came into play quite a while ago while this change likely didn't require much development time at all.

I don't know what's best for new players no and have never said I knew, but if I was new and I wanted to watch the story I know I'd want to be able to without having to research on the net how to get that done. I'd want the game to make that happen without extra input especially if I've been being led like this since the beginning of the game. I was lucky enough to experience the MSQ when it came out and running through it as it was designed to be run was amazing for me. Likewise you cannot speak for all veterans but are voicing what you would like someone to do for you, and are considering what other veterans would have concerns with. However as another veteran I'm disagreeing with you.

"Minority, a lot." .. waiting on hard data you don't have.
Yes people were stopping people from viewing cutscenes, it was either skip, or be lost, or LEAVE and try and join another run and ask if THEY'D wait, or find out how to use PF and sit around gathering a PF that was willing to wait.

Now let me say this very important thing. You have absolutely no rights to anything here. You have signed an agreement when you clicked OK that not only are you going to play by the publishing companies rules, they reserve the right to cease providing access to this game at any moment for any reason. This isn't an opinion either, this is legally true. Now, whether they DO this or not is how the company is perceived and public backlash for them choosing how they utilize this power over you results in their popularity and sales going up or down. The idea that you have a right to any of this sounds entitled and makes me think you don't understand that you're utilizing a service provided by a company who owns all aspects of it. Are they infallible? No. Do we owe them our gratitude and loyalty? Heck no. This is a business transaction and to perceive it as anything else is harmful to your expectations and will disappoint you in the end.
Now this doesn't mean you need to shut up and "my way or the highway" it, that's not my intent. But saying you have a RIGHT to something like this is just untrue.

I've been in this thread from the beginning and have seen nothing but unsubstantiated claims about majorities and personal claims of insane queue times... and I've also seen many claiming the opposite.. which ones are right? Perhaps you skipped the part I wrote last time about this but: This thread is a very poor representation of the playerbase.

I Don't CARE how many people agree with me, this isn't high school and I don't need to win any popularity contests. This is my opinion and my take on the situation. I don't need a "safe" thread for my "unpopular" opinion. I have no issues with people disagreeing with me and I welcome actual arguments for or against the changes.

I don't get why people refuse to acknowledge SE's statement about it for what it is - acknowledgement that this change was bad. Queues don't even have to be dead, this is SE saying in no uncertain terms "we are not pleased with the way things are after this change". And mind you this happened two weeks after the change was introduced, so whatever numbers they're seeing, whatever it's low queue numbers or just the extreme backlash in the many threads on the forums, it's so potent that SE themselves want to do something about it. It's like you're given proof that your stance isn't infallible and then you're performing any number of logical gymnastics to pretend it doesn't invalidate your stance when it does. Is it the doom and gloom predicted before where this became a Mentor roulette only queue?
We don't know. So your queue popped after 10 minutes, congratulations, it doesn't mean anything. Every single person here can only speak from their own personal experiences but that is also to say none of us have anything saying it didn't. As all of us agree, SE has the numbers, SE hears the feedback, and they decided, at the very least, that the awards aren't enough. Bury your head in the sand all you want, that's the truth of the matter right now.

I agree they saw something they think needed adjustment. I've never denied that. I just don't have your confidence in the fact that it's exactly one thing (specifically that the change was "bad" )and will continue to repeat that we cannot and will not know exactly why they do anything without an official announcement or published numbers. No uncertain terms would be an outright declaration of what had happened and a reversion of the changes. When this happens you can say that. Until then it's all conjecture and it requires absolutely no "mental gymnastics" to sit back and see what happens without yelling that the sky is falling.

[Mizunoko]

and will continue to repeat that we cannot and will not know exactly why they do anything without an official announcement or published numbers. No uncertain terms would be an outright declaration of what had happened and a reversion of the changes. When this happens you can say that. Until then it's all conjecture and it requires absolutely no "mental gymnastics" to sit back and see what happens without yelling that the sky is falling.

You keep spouting this nonsense about SE and the numbers.....numbers of what? Did people not already tell you just because just one data point of many may or may not be bad does not determine if what SE did was a bad choice or not. I referred you to page one in one of my previous replies so you can start reading this whole thread to teach you the concept of feedback. This thread IS a data point in and of itself if you want to claim that we need data points. SE does not need some numbers pulled from game statistics to realize they made a bad choice, and i shouldn't have to repeat this to you over and over along with half the other people here trying to do so as well. It's called feedback for a reason. And i'm not going to read that whole ridiculous block of text you just posted, because i know all you keep doing is putting yourself in a loop with points that have already been refuted or just plain illogical. If you want to keep writing essays that basically keep saying the same things over and over only worded differently even though many people keep proving them incorrect then by all means go for it and waste the time. I have already proven my valid points to you like 3 times now and i'm not going to keep doing it when everything just keeps flying over your head. Also i have no clue where you're getting this thing about me ignoring you, and that is also one thing i have already corrected you on so perhaps you should go back a page and re-read all my posts as well.

[Krotoan]

go for it and waste the time.

At last something we can agree on. You are a waste of time to respond to.
You say you aren't ignoring me, but you can be assured from now on I'll not be responding to you.

[Jijifli]

At last something we can agree on. You are a waste of time to respond to.
You say you aren't ignoring me, but you can be assured from now on I'll not be responding to you.

Still less of a waste of time than MS roulette.

I mean, unless I dc myself to skip cutscenes. If enough people do that we can leave the newbie behind again.

[Alleo]

I don't get why people refuse to acknowledge SE's statement about it for what it is - acknowledgement that this change was bad. Queues don't even have to be dead, this is SE saying in no uncertain terms "we are not pleased with the way things are after this change".

Because people then have to see that maybe we were a bit right about it, maybe it will not be that worse then we thought it would be (but that is something we will see in the future) but it was at least enough that SE already decided to increase the reward. They never do these things just for fun. They gave us the clusters on top of the adventurer in need bonus because they saw that people still did not run it with certain jobs so they do change things when its not going as intended. And seeing how fast the change happened..well the numbers spoke for themselves.

And since they never raised these things before the change we can say that this was because of the recent change..so the change seems to have impacted the roulette enough that they saw it as necessary to increase the prices even more.

It is both. It is a loophole, but it becomes an exploit as soon as it is used to avoid the intended game mechanics.
You can't report people for not wanting to watch the cutscenes, true. You can report people for using an exploit to skip the mandatory cutscenes.

I am never going to use it because if I ever go back into this I will watch through that (and probably just do it if friends need to run it through) but how exactly can they punish people for that? DCs happen and since patch 4.2 Chaos data center for example is horrible at times..how will the GM decide that this was not an accident? I mean they dont take video or screenshots of botting as evidence..how will they use DC as one? They could only do something if someone wrote it down but who would be stupid enough to do that if they plan on using it?