Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Krotoan]

First, No one ever said the change was meant to please us and whether it was or not does not invalidate everyones opinions even if you do not agree with them.
Second, we all pay monthly to play this game so what you call whining is only you trying to act high and mighty, as customers and subscribers every persons voice matters and has the right to critique the games quality (not one person in this thread whined,
what i see is people voicing there opinions on something that matters to them simple as that. Calling it whining only makes yourself look more immature and biased. The least you could try to do is act mature and voice your opinion with a less biased no matter what outlook). All your doing by saying what you have said is aligning yourself with all the white knights who come to SE's back over everything.
Third, if your going to come up with a counter argument at least think of something with more logic. I mean whether you agree with us or not, whether SE did this change to please us or not. None of that matters because the players have a voice and they have spoken. When it comes down to it a game is not a game without its players, and this threads sample size represents a large portion. It shows a good poll on how unpopular the choice SE made regarding this topic is. I don't have to back my argument up because all i have to do is point at basically 90% of the people in this thread who agree.

I never said YOU were whining. I said people come here to do things: Comment, contribute and including whining. Don't take offense where none is given.
So If I have a conflicting opinion to you: I'm a SE Groupie. Alright. Never any grey area here I guess. Show me where I think they've done no wrong?
I'm not defending SE, I'm saying complaining the XP per minute has suffered and how much this change has impacted the playtime of everyone so badly and it should never have been done is selfish and silly.
I can appreciate that text has very poor inflection conveyance and you think I'm being "mean". I'll never directly insult someone or "talk down" to someone intentionally unless they do me the courtesy first. This is how I talk in real life and it's how I write, I apologize if you think I'm trying to be haughty. I don't think I'm better than you or on the "right" side , there's just my side.

I use plenty of logic. Like the logic that the actual game was polled to ask who uses the forums and the resulting numbers it showed were minuscule. I understand this doesn't count all the people who didn't know about the poll or didn't care but it used an actual sample from the playerbase and not some forum you have to look for and register to post on. Even this THREAD isn't a great example. What about all the people who won't touch it because they don't want to respond to people being hostile immediately? What about the people who don't care and didn't even click because they don't do the roulette?

I will always be civil until you break civility with me.

You of course should always voice your opinion but don't get agitated when people disagree.

I think that who it was intended for matters a lot. If The concern that gets addressed is solved then that's a successful implementation, if people are affected negatively then they of course will say something but now we're having that discussion. The argument I'm hearing though is : This impinges on my leveling queue, change it back.
So the discussion of who is impacted more negatively , more irreversibly, and what that does to their overall gaming experience becomes valid.
I value the story experience of this game a lot and it's the reason I keep coming back. I can say the same for my friends whom I've discussed this particular issue with as well. Now of course if I want more people like myself (and be honest, who doesn't like to surround themselves with people like themselves , at least in interest and value) to play and I will speak up for something that supports those values. Story over grinding. That's my stake.
I propose that the grinders losing one roulette is worth people enjoying the actual story and this was supported by the implementation. I have no illusions of this being because SE loves me or thinks my view is the "right" one. But I will argue for it since it encourages the type of player I want to see in the game to stay.

[Mizunoko]

I never said YOU were whining.
You of course should always voice your opinion but don't get agitated when people disagree.

Nowhere did i say that you said I specifically was whining, i was referring to basically the majority of the people in this thread that you were attacking with a kiddish word as such
You assume i was agitated and then use that to try help the rest of your argument. Just because i was a bit aggressive with the way i worded my argument in no way just instantly meant it was because i was agitated. That is an assumption on your part. I never said you never had issues with something SE could have done before either. It's just the way you counter argue with the majority of the people here in this thread who have perfectly valid points makes it look like you just want to argue simply because you want to defend SE for no good reason. Not once did you actually state a good point in your previous post. I was simply voicing that out to everyone and also pointing out that calling people whiners only makes yourself look more white knightish and immature. That's just how i view it and that was only my opinion. As for anything else you may have said in your recent reply i really don't feel like reading all of that. I will just leave this reply to the stuff i skimmed and leave it at that.

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I have no illusions of this being because SE loves me or thinks my view is the "right" one. But I will argue for it since it encourages the type of player I want to see in the game to stay.

After skimming this i have to reply. I don't think that is justified in any way as no one should get to choose what "type" of person should play or not play the game. The way you say this is as if you think SE should pander to a specific group of the many groups who play their game just because thats the type of people you like more which in itself shows ALOT how biased you really are, and i mean blatantly. That is an incorrect way to think, the game should be for everyone to play and enjoy and when SE starts changing the game to pander to a minority is when things like this current backlash happens. Just because YOU want your way with the community does not mean it is moral (not that you said anything about morality, but i am). I really shouldn't have to make these points out to you as they should be obvious and the heavy backlash pretty much shows it already though.

[Krotoan]

As for anything else you may have said in your recent reply i really don't feel like reading all of that. I will just leave this reply to the stuff i skimmed and leave it at that.

Admonishing me for not having any points but responding with TLR. If you don't want to have a dialogue, don't bother to respond.

[Mizunoko]

Admonishing me for not having any points but responding with TLR.

I am making valid arguments and all your doing at this point is attacking me with unrelated and incorrect statements. Keep it polite and professional please. When i said "Nowhere did i say that you said i specifically was whining" i was referring to your mistaken reading of what i had said as i was referring to everyone in the thread, not just myself. I do not admonish, i simply state facts and corrections to misunderstandings and misreadings like when i corrected you as done previously.

As for anything else you may have said in your recent reply i really don't feel like reading all of that. I will just leave this reply to the stuff i skimmed and leave it at that.

If you don't want to have a dialogue, don't bother to respond.

Never did i say i did not want to have a dialogue with you either. When i said that i was referring to that reply only, not to whether or not i would have a dialogue with you. Everything you read from me somehow ends up misconstrued. Either that or you are purposely twisting what i say so you can simply have something to argue about because you have no good points regarding the actual topic to debate about. Either way if your just going to take this direction where you just twist what i say to enter immature and incorrect statements at me then i will bow out because i did not reply to you the first time to start a kiddish argument with you. I was genuinely trying to have an intellectual debate, but now i see you are probably not the right person to have that with.

[Krotoan]

As for anything else you may have said in your recent reply i really don't feel like reading all of that. I will just leave this reply to the stuff i skimmed and leave it at that.

You've stated you didn't read all of what I said and were choosing to reply only to what you've gleaned. Explain to me how that encourages dialogue if you're going to ignore certain parts of what I say and only respond to what you want?

[Mizunoko]

You've stated you didn't read all of what I said and were choosing to reply only to what you've gleaned. Explain to me how that encourages dialogue if you're going to ignore certain parts of what I say and only respond to what you want?

There is no rule saying i have to respond to or read EVERYTHING you say. And i never said i wanted to ENCOURAGE dialogue. I said:

Never did i say i did not want to have a dialogue with you either.

In no way does saying that imply or specify that i have to respond to everything you say or encourage more dialogue. What i am stating and what you are interpreting is so far off it's like your just trying to troll post at this point.

[Krotoan]

There is no rule saying i have to respond to or read EVERYTHING you say. And i never said i wanted to ENCOURAGE dialogue. I said i would have a dialogue with you. In no way does saying that specify that i have to respond to everything you say or encourage more dialogue. What i am stating and what you are replying about are so far off its like your just trying to troll post at this point.

Alright, I have no wish to engage with someone who is going to cherrypick out of my arguments the things they want to respond to, that's my problem. That's incredibly frustrating and I think most would agree pointless since anything I bring up that actually makes a point you can choose to ignore. That's not how "intelligent" conversations work. Acting like someone just hasn't said a particular thing or ignoring it is what immature people do. If you want to talk about the subject at hand I'm waiting for a response from you that doesn't involve unsubstantiated claims of "majority".

[Vstarstruck]

Nowhere did i say that you said I specifically was whining, i was referring to basically the majority of the people in this thread that you were attacking with a kiddish word as such
You assume i was agitated and then use that to try help the rest of your argument. Just because i was a bit aggressive with the way i worded my argument in no way just instantly meant it was because i was agitated. That is an assumption on your part. I never said you never had issues with something SE could have done before either. It's just the way you counter argue with the majority of the people here in this thread who have perfectly valid points makes it look like you just want to argue simply because you want to defend SE for no good reason. Not once did you actually state a good point in your previous post. I was simply voicing that out to everyone and also pointing out that calling people whiners only makes yourself look more white knightish and immature. That's just how i view it and that was only my opinion. As for anything else you may have said in your recent reply i really don't feel like reading all of that. I will just leave this reply to the stuff i skimmed and leave it at that.

Added Edit:


After skimming this i have to reply. I don't think that is justified in any way as no one should get to choose what "type" of person should play or not play the game. The way you say this is as if you think SE should pander to a specific group of the many groups who play their game just because thats the type of people you like more which in itself shows ALOT how biased you really are, and i mean blatantly. That is an incorrect way to think, the game should be for everyone to play and enjoy and when SE starts changing the game to pander to a minority is when things like this current backlash happens. Just because YOU want your way with the community does not mean it is moral (not that you said anything about morality, but i am). I really shouldn't have to make these points out to you as they should be obvious and the heavy backlash pretty much shows it already though.

Mizunoko i fully support you, and I am sure you are not the first nor last to be frustrated with Krotoan.

I would like to point out their sig, basically advertising how they are told kettle black a lot. So they act like that to troll, or they really do not know they are told that a lot?

As for this:

I'm saying complaining the XP per minute has suffered and how much this change has impacted the playtime of everyone so badly and it should never have been done is selfish and silly.

NO IT IS NOT SELFISH!!! that impacts queue times. If your not giving enough exp/per hour in doing something, people are not going to do said thing in mass, hence why there needs to be a roulette to begin with to help people find groups. The 4.2 change defeats the purpose of the roulette, as it means a large player base is not running it, thus not being ran.

Also you never once discussed with me how bad of a change it is when it effects the inn room and people making their own groups. Accept SE makes mistakes and not well thought out ideas at times.

You've stated you didn't read all of what I said and were choosing to reply only to what you've gleaned. Explain to me how that encourages dialogue if you're going to ignore certain parts of what I say and only respond to what you want?

Lol you do the same thing to me, only you ignore the important points of mine, again your kettle black. I guess you need to meet the kettle once again.

In the end, you give people a choice, people had options before 4.2, now people have none to cater to a tiny minority, not how you do things. You do not force one type of play on someone else, esp when your forcing the minority type of play on the majority. Remember, there are plenty of new players that do want to skip the CS. We do not know how many new players there was or will be in the future because SE did not walk over those players and say they do not matter till 4.2. That is very insulting, to me.