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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    The reason I bought the idea of selfish is, from you basically saying you like the change in full. I have issues with this, esp if your friend is lv 60+, or know someone that is 70, you 3 or 2 can make a party and complete it that way. This is called undersize and being a small group you can easily go at your own pace. Given you have this option, why should the public channel be forced to please a select few when this option exists?

    To me you still do not understand the undersize function and I believe a first step could make that option more clear to the new player base not this forcing this change on everyone.
    MSQ roulette was designed to move sprouts through content. The MSQ specifically tells players that "such and such dungeon/trial is now available through Duty Finder". You keep implying that the sprouts are the selfish ones for running this through DF when PF is available, but this is how the game is set up.

    If 'selfish' reasons are taken out, the only concern that any of us should have about this change is whether or not this will increase the queue times significantly, and therefore not let new players make it through the MSQ easily.

    Yes, mandatory CSs need to be disabled in PF so that those who do not want to deal with the story can skip it. I think most everyone is at least in agreement about this part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    MSQ roulette was designed to move sprouts through content. The MSQ specifically tells players that "such and such dungeon/trial is now available through Duty Finder". You keep implying that the sprouts are the selfish ones for running this through DF when PF is available, but this is how the game is set up.

    If 'selfish' reasons are taken out, the only concern that any of us should have about this change is whether or not this will increase the queue times significantly, and therefore not let new players make it through the MSQ easily.

    Yes, mandatory CSs need to be disabled in PF so that those who do not want to deal with the story can skip it. I think most everyone is at least in agreement about this part.
    might need touch up the post, but not just that but the inn too, and put back that dialogue option, I am shocked more story goes are not bringing the torches on that. I still think it should not be exclude those that want to use it to level up jobs, like having 2 different roulette or something but whatever i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    might need touch up the post, but not just that but the inn too, and put back that dialogue option, I am shocked more story goes are not bringing the torches on that. I still think it should not be exclude those that want to use it to level up jobs, like having 2 different roulette or something but whatever i guess.
    By the dialogue..do you mean the auto-advancement? If so, I'd say that's a necessary evil, otherwise groups could be held hostage. If not what you mean, not sure then as I've always skipped all MSQ :X
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    By the dialogue..do you mean the auto-advancement? If so, I'd say that's a necessary evil, otherwise groups could be held hostage. If not what you mean, not sure then as I've always skipped all MSQ :X
    There is a dialogue pop up, they can still give you 5 seconds to pick or something, if not it picks something for you. They took it out of the game completely, and do not even get it in the inn, complete BS they make a blanket change like this. So it was clearly not well thought out and made in haste blanketing PF/undersize and the inn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    There is a dialogue pop up, they can still give you 5 seconds to pick or something, if not it picks something for you. They took it out of the game completely, and do not even get it in the inn, complete BS they make a blanket change like this. So it was clearly not well thought out and made in haste blanketing PF/undersize and the inn.
    Ahh, I imagine at most this probably just changes a line or two of dialogue.. I know when I pick the "wrong" choice in quests, they normally spout off real fast about why I'm wrong, then prompts me to try again. These prompts could definitely be used to troll the other players in the Roulette, so I can see why they'd take them out.

    With that said, a short timer on any prompts could have been a decent solution. However, for my own needs, I appreciate having to input absolutely nothing while I'm tabbed out waiting for the CS to pass
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skivvy View Post
    Ahh, I imagine at most this probably just changes a line or two of dialogue.. I know when I pick the "wrong" choice in quests, they normally spout off real fast about why I'm wrong, then prompts me to try again. These prompts could definitely be used to troll the other players in the Roulette, so I can see why they'd take them out.

    With that said, a short timer on any prompts could have been a decent solution. However, for my own needs, I appreciate having to input absolutely nothing while I'm tabbed out waiting for the CS to pass
    still would not effect you cuz it would auto in 5 sec anyway (or could have) the biggest complaint i have in regards to it, is that it is removed for the inn as well. I mean.. *throws arms it* it really shows they did not think things though. Also the comment about being alt tabbed.. meaning you are not playing the game.. isn't that a clue how bad this change is?
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    I'm also sad to see that the dialogue option got removed. For a new player its absence doesn't outweigh the gain of being able to watch the cutscenes, and he did launch into the exact same speech regardless of what you picked, but it's still a loss.

    It does seem that their system may only be able to handle an all-or-nothing approach to cutscene playback - judging from the inn cutscenes having the same auto-scroll. There may be no way that they can implement giving players the option to skip or not skip at an instance-by-instance level, even if they wanted to.

    Quote Originally Posted by geekgirl101 View Post
    I'm avoiding Main Scenario queues now simply because of this change. 5-10 mins of actual fighting with new players still unable to keep up to fight the bosses [...]
    But.... new players don't have to keep up? That's the point of this change, they're going to be there and participating in the battles. They might not be doing the same degree of damage as veterans with better equipment, but they're in the fight from start to finish instead of still being in the cutscene, or running through empty corridors trying to find everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vstarstruck View Post
    still would not effect you cuz it would auto in 5 sec anyway (or could have) the biggest complaint i have in regards to it, is that it is removed for the inn as well. I mean.. *throws arms it* it really shows they did not think things though. Also the comment about being alt tabbed.. meaning you are not playing the game.. isn't that a clue how bad this change is?
    Yeah, it's speaks wonders for the gameplay that I tab out while running MSQ roulette. But then again, you always hear people commenting how they just watch netflix while crafting / gathering / even dungeoning at times, so not all content. For better or worse, there is a lot of content that people just tab out for. MSQ is just the latest addition to that list. :X

    In a perfect world, SE would have made this a solo instance. Maybe in another 4 years they'll figure out a way to make that happen -.-;
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