Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Vstarstruck]

Communication is important, but poor communication can do more harm than good. You may not realize this, but A LOT of your posts come off incredibly aggressive (in this thread and others).

I think it is interesting to get a sprout's viewpoint on this, but you could have worded your questions as follows;

Original: So are you glad this change makes it very limiting who is able do it? Are you going to be running it later doing it for the 100th time watching the same cs you seen before?
Revised: Are you happy with the change? Are you worried that the number of "veteran" participants may decline over time? Do you see yourself participating in the MSQ roulette after your initial clear?

Original: Don't you think it is a bit selfish to exclude so many when you can simply get friends and do the run at your own pace? (This friend you speak of is likely able to do these just you and them, but due to the change, you can't even watch the CS at your own pace)
Revised: Just don't even ask this. MSQ roulette was designed to get sprouts through content. It is not the OP's fault that SE changed the roulette in this manner.

Original: Are you aware this change prevents people going at their own pace? meaning I can't go slower then the auto play and read something over at that moment should I be distracted by something in RL?
Revised: How do you feel about the pacing of the CS's and the breaks in fighting?

Original: You really think it is a good change removing a dialog pop up across doing it in roulette, premade undersized, watching it in the inn?
Revised: Do you feel the change to mandatory CSs was a change for the positive, or do you feel that players had enough options already (e.g. Party finder, watching CSs in the inn, etc.)


If you want people to give honest opinions, don't go on the attack.

I disagree completely, I see it as you being very nitpicky. Why are you even telling me "do not even ask this?" I want to to inform them the full effect of the change because they said "In my opinion, this change is great as it will weed out speedrunners and keep only newbies and vets that are willing to help" This is completely false as I pointed out how someone posted, they do the MSQ to help people but the CS makes the runs too long so the can't anymore. It is important to get people to think about the full extent of the change. I personally think the babying is insulting, saying people have to watch CS without no choice no matter the means is? inn/ PF/undersized/ and the roulette? I can't give this information for them to think about why now? I see it as being oversensitive on your part.

I was not attacking, I was asking questions and adding information they may not know about. Also they can speak for them-self, if they do not like how I said something, they can tell me, they do not need you to defend them. You do not know if they view what I said the same as you do.

[Anarnee]

I made a new friend recently via the NN, he's new to the game, only a month in. He was asking for help with roulettes, and so I offered to heal or tank for him, we did all of our roulettes, before stopping without Main Scenario roulette. I told him how you had to sit through the the cut scenes, and he immediately did no want to bother with.

I'd say that's pretty sad for someone that's only been playing a month.

Was a bit disappointed they didn't at least do something about not being able to skip the CS in premades during the hotfixes, but that was only wishful hoping anyways.

[Krotoan]

I told him how you had to sit through the the cut scenes, and he immediately did no want to bother with.

I'd say that's pretty sad for someone that's only been playing a month.

I'd say it's pretty sad that someone was disappointed and trepidatious that they had to watch a story in this story driven game.

[Anarnee]

It's not so much that, you watch it once and you've seen it. He is past it, he's seen it.

But even then, there are plenty of individuals that just are not interested in the story. There is SO MUCH MORE to this game. You can't shame people for not caring about it, just like its wrong to try to tell someone they can't watch the cut scenes if they want to.

[Skivvy]

I disagree completely, I see it as you being very nitpicky. Why are you even telling me "do not even ask this?" I want to to inform them the full effect of the change because they said "In my opinion, this change is great as it will weed out speedrunners and keep only newbies and vets that are willing to help" This is completely false as I pointed out how someone posted, they do the MSQ to help people but the CS makes the runs too long so the can't anymore. It is important to get people to think about the full extent of the change. I personally think the babying is insulting, saying people have to watch CS without no choice no matter the means is? inn/ PF/undersized/ and the roulette? I can't give this information for them to think about why now? I see it as being oversensitive on your part.

I was not attacking, I was asking questions and adding information they may not know about. Also they can speak for them-self, if they do not like how I said something, they can tell me, they do not need you to defend them. You do not know if they view what I said the same as you do.

If you are looking for a sprout anyone to join in the conversation and give their opinion, you went about it in a very negative way. All of your questions were dripping with your disdain for the changes. I get it, you don't like it. I also don't think it's a great change. But if you're trying to get viewpoints, at least try to present the questions objectively.

[JaakRoot]

Communication is important, but poor communication can do more harm than good. You may not realize this, but A LOT of your posts come off incredibly aggressive (in this thread and others).

I think it is interesting to get a sprout's viewpoint on this, but you could have worded your questions as follows;

Original: So are you glad this change makes it very limiting who is able do it? Are you going to be running it later doing it for the 100th time watching the same cs you seen before?
Revised: Are you happy with the change? Are you worried that the number of "veteran" participants may decline over time? Do you see yourself participating in the MSQ roulette after your initial clear?

Original: Don't you think it is a bit selfish to exclude so many when you can simply get friends and do the run at your own pace? (This friend you speak of is likely able to do these just you and them, but due to the change, you can't even watch the CS at your own pace)
Revised: Just don't even ask this. MSQ roulette was designed to get sprouts through content. It is not the OP's fault that SE changed the roulette in this manner.

Original: Are you aware this change prevents people going at their own pace? meaning I can't go slower then the auto play and read something over at that moment should I be distracted by something in RL?
Revised: How do you feel about the pacing of the CS's and the breaks in fighting?

Original: You really think it is a good change removing a dialog pop up across doing it in roulette, premade undersized, watching it in the inn?
Revised: Do you feel the change to mandatory CSs was a change for the positive, or do you feel that players had enough options already (e.g. Party finder, watching CSs in the inn, etc.)


If you want people to give honest opinions, don't go on the attack.

Thanks Skivvy for the revised questions. Though I did not feel Vstarstruck post particularly aggressive and the questions are legitimate. I finally finished ARR yesterday and can give more inputs. I will however try to answer to your post instead, as the questions are already put in structure.

Original: So are you glad this change makes it very limiting who is able do it? Are you going to be running it later doing it for the 100th time watching the same cs you seen before?
Revised: Are you happy with the change? Are you worried that the number of "veteran" participants may decline over time? Do you see yourself participating in the MSQ roulette after your initial clear?

As I mentioned in my post, It all depends on the queue time over time. If it is getting too long, the change is of course not welcomed as new players would be blocked to even play further. (btw, I find it quite stupid design to have MSQ block your progression but this is another topic and more related to the original design of the game). When I did it, there were only 2 vets with the rest all sprouts and the queue time were instant as I am a tank I guess. I also play on Japanese DC so it might be more populated than NA and the influx of people for the new patch.

I would personally not run the MSQ roulette every day now that it is unlocked as I have 100+ MSQ quest to catch up to get back to my friend already in Ishgard. And I agree, the CSs are indeed time-consuming and I can understand it can discourage many. But I do want some poetics for my gear so I will probably run the roulette once in a while later for leveling especially when I have to cook and eat dinner or house cleaning, calls etc ( job and live alone ) which is a really great thing for me as I can get some xp while doing other things ! But this is very specific to my situation (or is it ? Seems FF14 community is way more mature that other MMOs which is a big like from me ).

Original: Don't you think it is a bit selfish to exclude so many when you can simply get friends and do the run at your own pace? (This friend you speak of is likely able to do these just you and them, but due to the change, you can't even watch the CS at your own pace)
Revised: Just don't even ask this. MSQ roulette was designed to get sprouts through content. It is not the OP's fault that SE changed the roulette in this manner.

Here, I don't really understand well your worry. How is it selfish ? This 2 duties were made for the story not for high level people grinding it. I really don't know why SE should please vets player for doing it under 15 mins... SE should try to appeal to vets only when queue is getting ridiculous. But as other people mentioned, we don't have the stats so it is useless to argue about that. And for now, I heard the reward was quite ok still.

Original: Are you aware this change prevents people going at their own pace? meaning I can't go slower then the auto play and read something over at that moment should I be distracted by something in RL?
Revised: How do you feel about the pacing of the CS's and the breaks in fighting?

I did not find any problems with the pace of dialog and CSs. I found it even too slow to be honest. For the distraction, it is the same as when I watch a movie in a cinema. I usually try to block some hours for gaming and only leave for urgent stuff. I don't start a duty if I know I will be disturbed.

Original: You really think it is a good change removing a dialog pop up across doing it in roulette, premade undersized, watching it in the inn?
Revised: Do you feel the change to mandatory CSs was a change for the positive, or do you feel that players had enough options already (e.g. Party finder, watching CSs in the inn, etc.)

I personally hate going through another medium to watch back the story. It can become messy and it doesn't feel right as you kinda already did it and lose the first time experience. I was happy with the cutscene directly from while playing the game but what I also hated was that the bosses were down in a matter of seconds without even having time to go through some sort of final forms like in every FF game final bosses. Probably because the 2 vets had 70 lvl gear and the sync gear function is not strong enough ... I mean the vets tank has like 10 K HP and I barely got 5 K with the gear from the job quest which is lvl 50.

Overall, I agree that there are ways to improve the current change of CSs but I find it is in the right direction. At least, it did not happen like my friend when he was doing it. I mean, he sat through the cut scene and missed all the boss fight and the duty was nearly finished when he finally saw all... ( he also just started the game but a little earlier than me so he is a bit further in the story)

I understand that other people have other ways of playing and some newbies want to skip the CSs as well. A vote system would be perfect or something like if everyone clicked yes on skip cutscene, then it skips ( without revealing who did or didnt skip of course).

my two cents.

[Krotoan]

It's not so much that, you watch it once and you've seen it. He is past it, he's seen it.

But even then, there are plenty of individuals that just are not interested in the story. There is SO MUCH MORE to this game. You can't shame people for not caring about it, just like its wrong to try to tell someone they can't watch the cut scenes if they want to.

Shaming? not my intention. Sorry if you took it that way, and yes this game has very very much more than just that. Glad he's progressed past so he can experience the rest.

[Alleo]

A small story:

Yesterday I suddenly got a tell from someone I dont even know. They asked me if I can help with the MSQ roulette since the time to wait for this is over 30 minutes and they want to finally reach 70. It was late at night and one of the MSQ dungeons so I said no. I did sent him the question why he is not running another dungeon but got no true answer back. So it seems that the waiting time for DDs has already increased to 30 minutes, at least in that case.

[Kewitt]

I haven't done much msq in the last year.
Increase exp to 2x what it is now,
Increase tomes to include new tomes. Say 200/100/20.

[Reinha]

They could just make the cutscenes skippable when doing both dungeons unsynced. Then those who want to rush through it can do so with the help of a friend, and those who want to experience it the intended way can wait in queue to do so. Additionally the MSQ roulette should count for the newest tank mount achievements. This could speed up the queue times a bit.