Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[CazzT]

You keep saying "objectively". I'm not seeing an objective observation here, I'm seeing a biased preset opinion.

Then I wonder what you think objective means. It's not an opinion that this change is bad for new players. And I explained clearly why it is.

You even acknowledge that it's bad for new players a few posts later, thus proving my point that it's bad. It's a fact (since you don't seem to like the word objective) that this is bad for new players.

[Beckett]

Then I wonder what you think objective means. It's not an opinion that this change is bad for new players. And I explained clearly why it is.

You even acknowledge that it's bad for new players a few posts later, thus proving my point that it's bad. It's a fact (since you don't seem to like the word objective) that this is bad for new players.

Objectively, this is good change for new players who want to experience these dungeons the way they were originally meant to be experienced, which was the one and only intent behind this change. There may be veteran players who want to speedrun, there may be alt characters who don't want to watch the cutscenes multiple times, and there may be brand new players with zero interest in the cutscenes. SE has made it clear that those players are not a priority. Their primary concern is only for players who do want to experience the full amount of content these dungeons offer, and this change makes it so that that is the default option (no more having to beg friends or PF strangers to help solve a problem you didn't even know existed).

This change will undoubtedly increase queue times, but that is not an objectively bad result for the issue that SE is trying to solve. If the future that you're predicting comes to pass, and queue times do increase to an unmanageable level, then SE will probably take another look at the issue, but to say definitively that it will happen is not objective at all.

[CazzT]

Objectively, this is good change for new players who want to experience these dungeons the way they were originally meant to be experienced,

How is this good for new players, even in the way you're claiming it's good? The game does not have enough new players these days to get a queue within a reasonable amount of time. As for "the way they were originally meant to be experienced", not even remotely true. Level 50+ can queue for this, and most of the people in the dungeon will be level 70 with level 70 gear. It's not even remotely close to how it was "meant to be experienced".

which was the one and only intent behind this change.

Then there was zero thought put into the solution.

There may be veteran players who want to speedrun,

Ugh... this strawman again.

[CazzT]

there may be alt characters who don't want to watch the cutscenes multiple times, and there may be brand new players with zero interest in the cutscenes.

Then why deny them a choice?

SE has made it clear that those players are not a priority. Their primary concern is only for players who do want to experience the full amount of content these dungeons offer,

Oh come off it! This change doesn't help anyone. The people who wanted to see the cutscenese already could, even without going to their inn. My first time in Castrum and Prae I watched the cutscenes. I didn't let anyone tell me I couldn't. And I leveled as a tank, so I was one of those "vital" roles for the dungeon. Which ties nicely back to your original point: "the way they were originally meant to be experienced". Both MSQ dungeons can be one-tanked. That is definitely not how they were originally meant to be experienced.

[CazzT]

and this change makes it so that that is the default option (no more having to beg friends or PF strangers to help solve a problem you didn't even know existed).

LOL what?! That's just plain wrong.

This change will undoubtedly increase queue times,

Which is WHY IT'S BAD FOR NEW PLAYERS.

but that is not an objectively bad result for the issue that SE is trying to solve.

/facepalm....
Yes, that is exactly why it's bad. One of many reasons.

If the future that you're predicting comes to pass

When, not if.

[CazzT]

and queue times do increase to an unmanageable level, then SE will probably take another look at the issue, but to say definitively that it will happen is not objective at all.

Another person who does not know what the word objective means...
I have seen what happens to MMOs where new players experience long wait times for content. They don't gain more new players than they lose. My point is based on objective, factual observation by the industry. It's not an opinion. It's based on facts.

[MistakeNot]

It's a fact (since you don't seem to like the word objective) that this is bad for new players.

It is not a fact, it is merely a hypothesis.
For new players who like to watch cutscenes it is a good change. Queue times for the new players may increase, but we do not actually know that they will increase, and we certainly do not know queue times will increase enough to be a problem.

[CazzT]

It is not a fact, it is merely a hypothesis.
For new players who like to watch cutscenes it is a good change. Queue times for the new players may increase, but we do not actually know that they will increase, and we certainly do not know queue times will increase enough to be a problem.

It's not a hypothesis. How many times are we going to play semantics?
Also, it's not a question of whether queue times might increase, they already have. One of the most common things mentioned in Prae and Castrum is how queue times are longer now. This is not supposition or conjecture or hypothesizing. It's already happened and is getting worse.

[Skivvy]

I love when people act like they have inside information that is only available to SE. Viewing something as a consumer is vastly different than viewing something as the Developer with all facts at their fingertips.

Of course this is not to say that SE makes awesome decisions all the time, because we sure as hell know that's not the case, but it's time to get off your high horse when you're coming into a conversation claiming fact when you have nothing to back it up with.

[Vstarstruck]

It is not a fact, it is merely a hypothesis.
For new players who like to watch cutscenes it is a good change. Queue times for the new players may increase, but we do not actually know that they will increase, and we certainly do not know queue times will increase enough to be a problem.

DPS queues are INCREASING NOW!! the fact you can be number 15 to number 5 in 20 minutes and over all have a higher then 30 minute queue? this already has a huge negative impact, and considering this is across a data center, not just a server shows you how little people are using the MSQ roulette now. The reason tanks and healers are getting such short queues is because the pool is so small there is hardly, if any (esp tanks) queuing for it. Wanna know why tanks are prob not queuing for it? because they get faster exp elsewhere.