Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Anarnee]

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It does still matter. You do not get change to happen by running away. I love this game and I want it to do well. You are right, I won't stop playing. But I will be heard, and I will keep giving my feedback and you'll have to deal with it.

Regardless of how many hours I've put into this game, I still should be able to experience those quests at MY pace when I come to them.

I like leveling. It helps me learn my jobs from the bottom up. I do it to become a better player and because I enjoy playing this game. Sometimes I wanna just go dance for some sylphs again ok?

The MSQ gives you gear along the way. Poetics are still useless on those characters, by the time I get through the MSQ, I have enough gil to just buy gear, why waste time getting the poetics gear what will be replaced in no time, when I can throw gil at it. Heck THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to get poetics MUCH faster.

But nice try there. Cute.

I should not have to sit in Prae or CM for an hour + and I should not have to pay money to get past it either.

[Vstarstruck]

Considering that more than half of this topic has been written before even knowing how this roulette would roll, a good portion spread misinformation on the value of the reward versus the time, and another good portion think it clever to make those solo duties just because they don't want to run the roulette, preventing people who like that roulette to experience it (because reasons, I guess), most people here complain without having experienced any real issue yet.

Cool, so is this you admitting you do not know why people are complaining then? because yet again (not shocked) this is you throwing out stawmans

It does still matter. You do not get change to happen by running away. I love this game and I want it to do well. You are right, I won't stop playing. But I will be heard, and I will keep giving my feedback and you'll have to deal with it.

Regardless of how many hours I've put into this game, I still should be able to experience those quests at MY pace when I come to them.

I like leveling. It helps me learn my jobs from the bottom up. I do it to become a better player and because I enjoy playing this game. Sometimes I wanna just got dance for some sylphs again ok?

The MSQ gives you gear along the way. Poetics are still useless on those characters, by the time I get through the MSQ, I have enough gil to just buy gear, why waste time getting the poetics gear what will be replaced in no time, when I can throw gil at it. Heck THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to get poetics MUCH faster.

But nice try there. Cute.

I should not have to sit in Prae or CM for an hour + and I should not have to pay money to get past it either.

+1

Everyone deserves a choice what they want to do. This change is very bad and should be clear how bad it is when it auto scrolls (once again you can't slow it down and go an YOUR PACE!) when you unsync.

[Anarnee]

Not to mention mind you, those characters that are DPS. You want me to wait in a over 30min queue and then to do an hour and a half of dungeons?

How about this Reynhart, lets compromise, I'll make a character on your server and you can solo me through since you love to watch those cut scenes. I'll afk while you do everything. You'll take care of it right? Since you don't want any changes being made cause you like it as it is, and I won't be able to find people that will solo me through else where, you'll just jump at the chance for it right?? That way the roulette can stay as it is and I don't have to waste time on these badly paced dungeons anymore.

[Yunuen]

I appreciate everyone that's brought up valid criticism of this change. Any time I've brought it up, I've been told the same BS that Reyn is posting with no actual offer for a solution and felt like I was alone. I used to queue up every day as a healer. I always made sure to tell newbies that they could sit back and watch the CS and don't worry if the rest of the group goes ahead. Out of the 3 years I've played, I've only had two people throw fits over it.

I've run CM and Prae once since the change, and while CM is not that bad (from 20 mins to about 30 mins for me), Prae was horrible last night, clocking in at 1 hour. While I know this is going to grate on the nerves of our dear white knights in this thread, I'm not going to be running it any more. That's my opinion and choice, and while the white knights don't seem to think it's valid to voice one's opposing opinion, I'm standing by it. I personally enjoyed running these roulettes with random people, and this has ruined it for me.

[Krotoan]

I appreciate everyone that's brought up valid criticism of this change. Any time I've brought it up, I've been told the same BS that Reyn is posting with no actual offer for a solution and felt like I was alone. I used to queue up every day as a healer. I always made sure to tell newbies that they could sit back and watch the CS and don't worry if the rest of the group goes ahead. Out of the 3 years I've played, I've only had two people throw fits over it.
I've run CM and Prae once since the change, and while CM is not that bad (from 20 mins to about 30 mins for me), Prae was horrible last night, clocking in at 1 hour. While I know this is going to grate on the nerves of our dear white knights in this thread, I'm not going to be running it any more. That's my opinion and choice, and while the white knights don't seem to think it's valid to voice one's opposing opinion, I'm standing by it. I personally enjoyed running these roulettes with random people, and this has ruined it for me.

You are well within your rights to stop and SHOULD if it bothers you that much. Good on you for helping new people for so very long.
I don't think I've seen one person say that SE is infallible. They've done some dumb things, the fact you still cannot skip CS if you make your own PF or Unsynched party is one of them. But the part where the roulette has unskippable CS ISN'T. A compromise was proposed that if a newbie is in the roulette then the cutscenes should be unskippable, but if all are vets who have done the instance before it should run as it always has, this is a good balance. Now the problem is to get this to the attention of someone who can do something about it without this being buried in bickering. Does that sound right to you or is this a situation where the old way is better than any sort of modification for you? Or perhaps you think devoting resources to re-doing the whole line itself is a better idea?

[Gemina]

I personally enjoyed running these roulettes with random people, and this has ruined it for me.

What was so enjoyable about it before the change? Personally for me, it was always the roulette I got the least amount of enjoyment from WHEN I actually decided to queue up for them. There was nothing enjoyable about Castrum/Prae for me, ever. It was a zergfest where no one gives a shit about anybody. People say they like to help newbies through these instances, and I have never seen that. Not even once. They get left behind. Always. Being carried though an instance isn't the same thing as helping, and that is exactly what was happening to the sprouts when they get to this point in the story.

I have now queued for both Castrum and Prae everyday since the patch. The environment is far from being filled with a bunch of people pissed off about the change. I'm not saying everyone is all happy about it, but there is actually social interaction going on in here now. Yes, players are actually talking to each other to pass the time while those who want to watch to cutscenes will simply just watch them. Hell, one player was having trouble figuring out how to get into the magitek mount, and one went back to help while the others actually waited. I can't even begin to express how shocked I was. This player was so happy when he got to join the magitek onslaught portion of the dungeon (seriously one of the more fun parts of it).

In short, I have seen far more good come out of these instances in one short week than I ever have in two years playing this game. These sprouts now won't know the horror most of us have experienced, which is far worse than oh soo torturous 90 minutes the veterans are having to deal with. And from my experience this week, veterans having a horrible time here would be an inaccurate assessment.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying the way they handled Castrum/Prae was the best way to do it. However it is great to see the community come together to make the best out of really long instance time, which never would've happened without this change.

[Yunuen]

What was so enjoyable about it before the change?

I play a bit more fast-paced in general and MSQ did a good job getting me used to new classes I was learning in that kind of environment but less stressful for me than PotD. I also chatted with some nice people in there. The fights are so simple, that I could just chat through them.

I think everyone can have slightly different experiences, and if anyone was upset about being carried during MSQ runs I had, it wasn't vocalized except for a couple instances. I also never had a run where people were telling newbies to skip the CS either. The two runs I've had since the update haven't had any toxic complaining, more so just vocalization of annoyance, then laughing at the ridiculousness of the CS.

At most, I may queue up on the weekends if I have time but it's not really feasible for me on the weekdays with my work schedule. I wish they at least made the CS skippable if there's no sprouts or in unsynced.

[Vstarstruck]

You are well within your rights to stop and SHOULD if it bothers you that much. Good on you for helping new people for so very long.
I don't think I've seen one person say that SE is infallible. They've done some dumb things, the fact you still cannot skip CS if you make your own PF or Unsynched party is one of them. But the part where the roulette has unskippable CS ISN'T.

Yes it is, stop with the censor crap. At some point people need some damn responsibility in learning how to comminucate. No chat in feast, no sending tells/ social options in DF, and this BS change is too much. You should give grown adults choice and let those that are able to communicate to do so. You completely missed yunnuen's point. THE MINORITY of NEW players gets abused, like very rarely is because 1, people do not communicate, 2. no one stands up for what is right and simply kick the offender. I had no problems in the runs I did when I used communication, you know talking to people, typing in that log and get people to kick problem makers. I have kicks passed on both ends, meaning I got kicks passed on "vets" being rude to new players, and new players mouthing off/ attempting to hold the run hostage. Different runs with a high rarity, but point is I did my part to comminucate. This was after several attempts to calm them down too.

We do not need this kind of censorship of a blanket change of being unable to skip CS.

If a few need to quit because they can't speak up, then..? how do they get past in the real world? at some point you have to make a stance and understand you can't please everyone and disrespect 90% of the player base because 1% can't communicate. (Yes I know that does not add to 100% there is a reason for it)

I am shocked we still have the novice network and shout chat channels with the over censorship they try to force on the player base, damn. Very insulting to treat adults like this, or even teens (rated 13 and over for the game)

Let me give you a news flash, it may be shocking, but I joined late in the game and was rushed there. I did not come here threatening to quit because people do their natural thing. I understand their PoV and so should others. Know what I did? ran it later with a friend and took all the time in the world to enjoy it. YOU cant even do that now since it is on auto speed @!*#@&@#((*@#(@#@#. This and no chat in feast has to be some of the worst changes to something I have seen in video games. (and not putting the "feature" to send tells from duty, in all the problems I had in wow, none came because of "tell harassment" while in a duty.)

I am shocked others are not offended over this kind of censorship, you really need to baby the player base? that is not insulting to you to be told "we are making a change because people lack the ability to communicate and conduct themselves properly in select specific circumstances" ?

Simple solution is giving extra prompts in teaching people they have a right to kick people causing problems and be stricter in kick abuse while reverting the MSQ roulette to what it was before 4.2. IF the dev team insists of needing to give the playerase babying, change the content to be solo then.

[Iscah]

People say they like to help newbies through these instances, and I have never seen that. Not even once. They get left behind. Always. Being carried though an instance isn't the same thing as helping, and that is exactly what was happening to the sprouts when they get to this point in the story.

I waited for newbies, even if the rest of the party didn’t - once I learned the way through the area myself, which took a few runs! But I’ve had several rounds of staying behind waiting for someone to come out of the cutscene while everyone else dashed on ahead, because it’s a confusing place and being lost there alone is awful. If the fights were tougher I might have felt more conflicted between healer responsibilities and staying back, but the enemies go down easily enough that they could make do without me, and the waiting was more important.

[Gemina]

I play a bit more fast-paced in general and MSQ did a good job getting me used to new classes I was learning in that kind of environment but less stressful for me than PotD. I also chatted with some nice people in there. The fights are so simple, that I could just chat through them.

I think everyone can have slightly different experiences, and if anyone was upset about being carried during MSQ runs I had, it wasn't vocalized except for a couple instances. I also never had a run where people were telling newbies to skip the CS either. The two runs I've had since the update haven't had any toxic complaining, more so just vocalization of annoyance, then laughing at the ridiculousness of the CS.

At most, I may queue up on the weekends if I have time but it's not really feasible for me on the weekdays with my work schedule. I wish they at least made the CS skippable if there's no sprouts or in unsynced.

You don't need this MSQ to get used to new classes. In fact, because most are over-geared for it and it can just be blasted through does the exact opposite when it comes to learning a new class. Your time is better spent in an instance where mechanics matter if this is your intention. There aren't many environments less stressing than 4-man dungeons when it comes to group content. Also, if your intent is to learn your class, you shouldn't be chatting with peeps during combat. If you can do this, you're not being pushed.

Most players are not going to, or even be given the opportunity to vocalize their dissatisfaction in a Castrum/Prae run, but you don't need to go far to find it. The instances are notorious for having extremely relevant CS in terms of the WoL becoming the WoL that a newbie cannot see outside an inn save they get left entirely behind and unable to participate in battles. Even if you haven't heard the voices, trust me, they are there.